Featured The trouble with t̶r̶i̶b̶b̶l̶e̶s̶ trachys

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  1. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Yep, but here is a thread for these ugly Byzantines :troll::troll::troll:
     
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  3. NewStyleKing

    NewStyleKing Beware of Greeks bearing wreaths

    The respected numimatist Peter Thoneman in his book the Hellenistic World is not a fan of the NewStyle especially the latter ones. So I guess I wouldn't get invited to his parties! Gosh! How dare he says such things about my beloved?

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    The very earliest New Style tetradrachms, dating to the mid-160s BC, carry fairly discreet monograms to the left and right of the owl on the reverse (Fig. 7.6). But these monograms are soon replaced by up to three different magistrates’ names spelled out in full, usually accompanied by one or more mint-symbols (Thompson 1961: 546–607; Mattingly 2004: 85–99). The result is that the – originally rather elegant – reverse type of the New Style coinage becomes increasingly cluttered. Fig. 7.7 illustrates an issue dating to 115/14 BC, with the abbreviation Athe for Athens followed by the three names Me¯trodōros, Miltiade¯s and Hermogene¯s, along with a bunch of grapes as a mint-mark and the letters Pe (of uncertain meaning) at the bottom. The whole thing is, frankly, a barely legible mess."
     
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  4. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    @NewStyleKing, it looks like you posted this one in the wrong thread (...?). Granted, the derivation of 'trachy' is as seamless as it looks.
     
  5. Black Friar

    Black Friar Well-Known Member

    The illustrations look a lot like those done by Mike Harkowitz who gave a paper at several meetings of our Byzantine coin group in New York and other ANA Conventions.
     
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  6. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    Those illustrations were never done by myself and are actually from an article I got from somewhere, either from Bendall or from another source which I forget...
     
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  7. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Oh, (mild expletive), @Quant.Geek, I Hate it when that happens!
     
  8. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    I am usually good about giving credit to other authors and the like, but I just slipped on that one. It was definitely from Mike Markowitz as I found the original source of the pictures. The content was from Simon Bendall's articles...
     
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  9. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    ...No, more along the lines of, who doesn't this happen to?
     
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  10. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    :) I am actually a strong believer in giving credit to other people's work. I do that at work and I do that personally. Its just harder to do on forum posts...
     
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  11. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Got you there.
     
  12. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    The following series of trachaea were classified as unidentified and I am also having a bit of trouble finding a match. Several have been auctioned off, in one form or another, and I picked them up as much as I could to study the variations. It looks familiar, but also different. Any clues?

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  13. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    Answered my own question. Sear 2261

    Obv.: IC XC in field. Bust of Christ, bearded and nimbate; l. hand Gospel. Two
    groups of three pellets in field.
    Rev.: Full-length figure of emperor on 1., and of St. Michael, beardless and nimbate; between them labarum on long shaft. Emp wears div., c-p, and jewel. loros of simpl. type; r. hand sc. cr.
    Bendall- Donald 1974, p. 5, C.4; PCPC 22 (but as St. George on rev.); Sear 2261;
    DOC V, Class III, pl. 4, 56-7
     
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  14. BenSi

    BenSi Well-Known Member

    Here is a new one, lesser seen. Alexius I SBCV-1936 type B ( Noted in CLBC with cross in Labarum.) 29mm 4.05gm These are always silver and from the beginning of the reform. The mint is Philippopolis. This one is ok condition, fine.
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  15. BenSi

    BenSi Well-Known Member

    Not perfect but a great Christ Portrait. Alexius III
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  16. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Another saint that seems to be rather scarce on trachaea/stamena:

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  17. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    A guy with a trifurcate sceptre but who is he?

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    18x16mm 1.19g AE
     
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  18. BenSi

    BenSi Well-Known Member

    But solo? John V ?
     
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  19. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    I honestly don't know. It looks and feels like a 1230s-1240s Thessalonica issue but it's just not among the known types. Or I just couldn't recognize it.
     
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  20. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    This one is very easy but I think it's pretty pretty

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    At 32mm it's also yuuugeeee
     
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