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Agree with you on that FryDaddy. Think I'll look at a BU no slab instead. Too steep for me.

 

Yes. He paid for it and should be able to do whatever he wants with it just as I should. HOAs can pound sand. If you arent paying my bills you shouldnt have any say

 

Anything?

That all night outdoor auto repair operation is going to be very convenient next door.

 

Should have added with in reason. There's already noise laws that would prevent that.

Unless the HOA wants to pay your bills though they shouldnt have a say

 

But you’ve proven the point that we’re not interested in complete libertarianism of land ownership and use. Maybe the next guy thinks your subjective concept of ‘within in reason’ is not reasonable and too draconian.

 

But again are they paying my bills? Why should a neighbor be able to dictate what I can do? There's countless laws that already protect from noise and things of that nature at certain hours. Why should someone else be able to control what color my house is or things of that nature

 

If a neighbor is doing something that drags the value of your property down then there should be recourse.

 

under libertarians you are also free to poison the local water supplies. you have the option to sue if you don't like it.

don't move there and don't sign the papers? are you an adult?

 

I'm in total agreement with the statement that I pay my bills, I get to decide...
However, and this is the key to the entire debate. The person buying the property within the confines of the HOA signed on the dotted line. They were presented with the HOA bylaws before taking possession of the property. They knew the restrictions going into the deal. If they didn't want to abide by the covenants and restrictions presented to them, don't buy the property. Move on somewhere else. Once they accepted the terms and conditions they basically signed away any recourse. Now if they didn't read the proverbial War and Peace sized document then that still falls on them.

I lived in a condo complex only once, over 35 years ago. That was the first and last time I'd ever live in a place where not only .gov has a say in what I can do in my home, but add another layer of approvals to the mix.

Bottom line, if you don't like the rules, don't play the game.

 

Just dont shit in the front yard and everybody will be just fine.

 

I agree, if you put yourself in the situation for an HOA you knew that. I personally would avoid any HOA neighborhood if at all possible. I don't agree with the concept of it

 

Just remember anything that goes wrong in an HOA just blame it on the landscapers.

 

Same here. Not my style of living. On the other hand I can see how many would like that kind of life. I typically don't see eye to eye with that lifestyle on a number of fronts.

 

Agreed. It's just not something that appeals to me for neighbors to be able to control my choices.

 

The original argument was about government ‘control’ not some private agreement/bureaucracy.

By right of the US Constitution, government has many abilities to control the use of private property.

It’s the manifestation of the protection of the Commons and maintenance of the social contract we all need and, ultimately, want.

But you already know all this.

 

did you hear the one about the guy who moved into a HOA, signed the papers and then whined he couldn't start a junkyard in his front yard and raise goats?

 

The HOA is not composed of 1 person. The rules and regulations the HOA has to follow are strict and city approved. The HOA in all states that I know has to have a board of a set number of individuals who own a parcel/house within the HOA division. Even I have been an elected representative on a large HOA, few want to do it, as they do not want to mess with neighbors problems or extremes, and they do not want someone to fly political or obnoxious flags , banners , or repair others cars in the street. You do have to pay your dues and follow the rules. If any owner has wild parties and shoot guns in the air, every friday, they will receive a warning and a fine; repeat and they legally can be removed . If you have fully paid off your house, you can take it with you or sell it with the same approval needed to someone else. You know the rules before you sign. People like others to take care of all of the problems and act quickly if there are problems. The Cities love HOA, as they are easy to monitor. In most areas HOA gain in resale value nearly 1.3-1.5X more than privately owned houses/lots. Last year prices almost doubled in North Arizona. They tore down motels and hotels near the highways and turned them into HOA attached units.
IMO Jim

 

As long as you can pay the mortgage and or taxes that's true.

 

No mortgage - that the goal for retirement. Rents are skyrocketing and I want no part of that !