Another mixed lot--16 worn older coppers

Just got these loose in a batch without ID.
Going to have some fun going through them.
Some look pretty easy, some a lot less so.
Like row 2, #4 looks like the Iranian one I asked about just recently.
Any comments and suggestions welcome. I'll take better pictures of a few individually (possible even in the correct orientation) as I start working through them.

 

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Row 1, first from the left Turkey Ottoman Empire - third from the left looks like Sardinia.

Row 2, second from the left looks like Naples.

 

Row 3 1st coin is a Russian denga 1/2 kopek ca. 1730s.

 

@Muzyck and @scottishmoney: thanks!
Here's a better photo of r1.3, Sardinia, 5 Centesimi, 1826, Carlo Felice
Will post more as I can get to it.

 

r 1.1: Ottoman Empire, 10 Para 1255 AH, year 16 of reign of Abdülmedid I = 1854 AD
I think this is Constantinople mint, but I'm bad at reading Ottoman mints.
The flowers look like Constantinople rather than Egypt, for example.

 

Since I can't tell obverse from reverse, I'll call Pic 1 or Pic 2, then Row/Place, as in P2, Row 1, Place2 = Portuguese
P1, R3, Place3 = Portuguese


They are hard to read, so I'm going mostly by symbols. The Portuguese Cross is easy to pick out.
I agree with Muzyck and Eidolon on the Turkish coin. I can read Arabic numbers to some extent and I believe you have those dates and denominations correct.

Otherwise, I'm only guessing.

 

Pic 1 and 2 are the same 16 coins, just flipped to the opposite side.
I wasn't sure obverse and reverse, so I usually put the side with more detail in pic 1.
Did you mean the cross that looks like this? (Pic 1, row 3, 3rd from left)

I think that's a Jerusalem cross, which is on coins from many countries. For example, here's a 30 Deniers from the Duchy of Lorraine, 1728-9, with that cross.

 

2.2: Kingdom of the 2 Sicilies, 1 1/2 Tornese, 1853
So "Naples" was a pretty accurate description to get me started, thanks.

 

Yes, that is one of the coins with it. I've seen that cross referred to as a Portuguese cross. I suppose it might have many names.

I wasn't sure about the obverse/reverse orientation either, which is why I also referred to P1 and P2.

What about P2, R1, Place 2. Similar cross, right?

 

Makes, sense, thanks. Here's a closer picture:
I can't make out the date, of course, but I think I can see the "ДЕ НГА"
Russia, 1 Denga, 1730-1754, 25 mm, 7.76 g

 

Row 2, #4: Iran, 1 Shahi, 1305AH = 1888
The date at 6:00 on the obverse is hard to make out, but I think I can read ١٣٠(?), so the last digit must be a 5. The other possible dates minted are 1310 and 1311, but neither of those would have a dot for zero in the third digit position.
Oddly, I just got help identifying a 2 Shahi of the same series on a thread I started 2 days ago. The coins were bought many years apart...

 

Row 4, #4
This one is really bugging me. I'm pretty sure of the ruler, but I'm not sure where it's from. It's very close to this Naples 2 Cavalli under Carlo V (1516-1556), but the edge lettering doesn't quite match, and mine has two rows of dots on the obverse, inside and outside the text, as opposed to an outer one only.
Copper, 2.93 g, ~22 mm
Obverse: "CAROLVS.V.ROM.IMP." (Carlo V, Emperor of Rome)
Reverse: "REX.ARG.VTRIV.SIC" or something like that (King of Aragon and Sicily)
So I'm pretty sure it's Holy Roman Emperor Charles V (1516-1556). He would have ruled several Italian kingdoms, including Naples, Sardinia and Sicily. I don't have any specialized reference books for the 1500s or Italian states, so any help would be greatly appreciated on this one!

 

Bottom left makes me think of a Tornese of Naples.

 

This looks close...

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces26248.html

 

@mrbadexample: Thanks. Yeah, I stumbled across this on Numista while looking up one of the others, and the cornucopia looks very similar.
Naples, 1 Tornese, Felipe II, 1573-92 (Coin and image not mine)

Here's a bigger picture of mine: Row 4, #1 (5.18 g, ~24 mm, copper)

The front looks quite different, and doesn't seem to be a portrait of any kind. I feel like the pattern looks familiar (reminds me of Portugal), but I haven't seen a close match yet. The back looks like a cornucopia similar to the Naples above, but with a date some time in the 1600s. That's all I've found so far. Pretty extensive searching Numista by size and weight hasn't turned up anything closer.

Edit: Found it. Here's one on MA shops. Size and weight match.
Napes, 1 Tornese, 1607-1617 Filippo III

Krause has it, but no photos, so I wouldn't have spotted it:

 

I used to own this similar one that I gave away because it was outside my collecting sphere at the time. I still regret it.

 

I think this one is a Quattrino of Lucca (Italian States), 1658 (row 4, #3)
Copper (or billon?), ~15 mm (irregular), 0.60 g
Ob: Crowned head of St. Vultus, ".SANCTVS.VLTVS"
Rev: Letter "L" dividing last two years of date, 58 "OTTO.IMPERATOR."

Oddly, my 2011 Krause doesn't list this date for a quattrino, though they were made from 1601-1674. I can find it on other sources online, such as here, here or here.
I'd feel more confident about the date if I could fine a list of the rulers of Luca showing an Otto or Odo who reigned in 1658 or 1558 or whenever. I'm pretty sure it's not from the 1700s or later.
Here's one from online where you can make out some additional details (from 2nd link above). The ended auction lists it as silver, but I think a quattrino would be made from copper. The duetto (2 quattrini) would be billon, at 1.5 g is much too big for my coin. (Image, coin below not mine).

 

I bought the coin above in part because I remembered the L monogram from 2 earlier Italian States coppers I had been unable to identify from this thread.
Here are the two coins in question:


The inscription around the "L" on the reverse of the righthand coin seems different than my coin above. Date looks like "63". 0.65 g, ~16 mm, copper. Obverse (below) I can't make out much of anything.
Second coin (on left) I can make out "OTTO" from 12:00-3:00 on the reverse, and a date ending in zero. Quattrino was made in 1610, 1620, 1630 and 1640, so could possibly be any of those. 0.53 g, ~15 mm (irregular). Looks like this design was also made in the 1500s going back to ~1543. But the early ones are listed at a heavier weight (1.5 g), so I'm still favoring a 1600s quattrino for each.

Unless there are any other states which used the "L" monogram on the reverse, I'm going to assume these are both from Lucca also.

 

Row 1, #2: Naples, Grano of Filippo IV, 6.15 g, 28 mm ~1622-1624
Ob: Crowned Bust, "PHILIPPVS IIII D G" (I can read PPVS.IIII)
Rev: Jerusalem Cross, "NEAPOLIS REX" (I can only read "POLIS" on mine)
Not sure if there's more to the text on the rim I can't see.
I can't find this on Numista, but it's in Krause. Probably Naples KM#47 as the similar undated KM#38 is listed as "rare". Date if present is on the obverse near the the 4:00-5:00 position. Wild guess this is the most common type, 1622 MC.

 

Row 2, #1. Another Naples Grano, this time under Spanish rule. Cu 7.66 g, 27 mm
Ob: Long-haired bust "CAROLVS.II.D.G.REX" (Charles II of Spain)
Rev: Crowned heart-shaped shield, St. Andrew's Cross L and Jerusalem Cross R "SICILAE.ET.HIERVSA"