I'm keep this short OP I am kicking myself for not buying a few months ago when they were $30-35 a piece on the bay now they are $50+ Is this because the mint did not make a 2009 proof? Also people are worried the mint will no longer make them again? You guys see any drop in prices on these in the future or will they just keep going up?
They will most likely go up just a bit more. I suggest you go to a coin show and pick one up. I'm sure you can get it cheaper but I don't know for sure. I got one within 2 months ago for $22 at a coin show. good luck
I got this one 2 months ago Alex it was a impulse buy I dont think I got took for the price of $50.00 with free shipping
To a very large degree is is due to unprecedented promotions being made by salesmen trying to sell IRA accounts. The increasing prices in precious metals this year have given these guys a tool to use and they are using it to the n'th degree. People are scared, and there is no stronger emotion than fear, so they are buying into the hype. To top it off, the IRA managers are assigning values virtually out of thin air to these coins simply because they are Proofs. They are doing the same thing with gold issues. ASE Proofs are assigned a value of $50 each in the IRA accounts and the AGE Proofs (1 oz) are assigned a value of $2000. This arbitrary assignation of value by IRA managers has led the coin market to accept these values for common, late date Proof examples, because they can point to them a say - see, they ARE worth this much. Coincidentally, along with the recent increase in late date Proof bullion coin values, those few examples which have traditionally held more value than other dates, namely the '94, '95 & '96 Proof ASE's, have dropped in value by 25% in the same time frame that the late date issues have increased by 50%. This points to an inherent danger in my opinion. Since their is no real reason to justify this increase in value for what are common NCLT coins, and because their values are supposed to be based on bullion content alone according to federal law for inclusion in IRA's, I expect that at some point the goverment is going to step in and downgrade those values to honestly reflect their true value - bullion content. This could have a devastating effect on the overall value of many people's IRA accounts in regard to value. And in turn, would cause a virtually overnight collapse of the market for these bullion coins. Well perhaps collapse is a bit harsh, but if values dropped from $50 per coin to the realistic $18 per coin (which is their true bullion value) - that's a pretty hefty loss to take in one fell swoop. At the very least, these people who are buying these Proof issues at these vastly inflated values today, may well suffer exhorbitant losses at the time they try to cash in some years from now when the coins sell for bullion content alone. It is recipe for disaster.
Proof ASEs will never sell for bullion value and never have. They are far too beautiful and collectible to be lumped in with regular ASEs. I would expect that they will always sell for AT LEAST 2X ASE price.
Yeah they will sell for more than business strikes. But what I am talking about is whether or not the IRS will accept the assigned value for tax purposes. This has never happened before. And tax returns for this year have not been sent in yet. Don't forget, in an IRA account you get to write off the amount you deposit on your taxes. And the IRS is rather sticky about such things. Time will tell.
I'm surprised that coins/bullion are allowed in the IRAs. Using the bullion price for any coin would seem to make sense, anything higher is purely subjective.
so what's the retail mint price for proof ASEs? I would imagine Proofs would never ever fall below that price I could be wrong though...
Well it varies year to year, based on the fluctuating price of silver. And there's a premium on the proofs above the raw bullion ones. There wasn't a proof ASE this year, but as I recall last year it sold for about $35 directly from the mint. One graded PF-70 from one of the big TPGs may go for a bit more. With the exception of the 1995 10th anniversarey ASEs though none of them are especially rare and I'd say a fair estimate of value would be about double melt value, about what most of the proof AGEs and APEs usually hover around.
I just read an interesting letter in NN from Robert L. Higgins, Pres./CEO of Certified Assets Management. In his letter he talks about folks putting Proof AGE's into their IRA's. He advocates using the business strike AGE's, which sell for a precentage over spot, if you feel you must or want to put gold in your IRA. This is a quote from the letter. " I don't have millions of dollars to try and promote this like the companies who sell this concept do and I am not making too many friends by bringing this subject up, BUT think about what this is doing to our nation's retirement future. Currently there is $4.4 trillion in IRA's, only the coin market can turn that into $1.5 trillion." It seems I am not the only one concerned about this situation with the current pricing of AGE Proofs.
If I am not mistaken the 2004 PCGSPR70DCAM has only 720 in that grade by PCGS for that year. Wouldn't that make a silver eagle in that graded slab a little more desirable and there for sell for a little higher premium for a collector? (Just a example)
Only to a collector who was willing to pay such outrageous prices. And that is usually a collector with little real knowledge of the hobby. The vast majority of collectors wouldn't buy them at all.
check the 1995w ASE proof silver dollar at e-bay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160389404852
Elaine, That is UNREAL.....I hope the buyer is flipping that realllllly fast. And they thought housing was a bubble. Lack