Let’s see your OLDEST ancient!

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Gam3rBlake, Feb 13, 2021.

  1. Gam3rBlake

    Gam3rBlake Well-Known Member

    Well I just wanted to point it out just in case you were interested.

    Would you get one if it was guaranteed authentic by a reputable source?
     
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  3. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Probably, even if I prefer the 'standard' coins or what we call coins. But knowing myself, I would still have doubts. I hate if when I am unsure about a coin.
    Last year I bought an Apollonia Pontica drachm, in a modest condition but I wanted an example in my album.
    There is still a 50-50 chance to be fake after I asked several experts, including here, and this is not something I want to repeat.
     
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  4. Gam3rBlake

    Gam3rBlake Well-Known Member

    That’s understandable. I respect that. You don’t want to get screwed over after experiencing it in the past.

    As to the potential fake: Have you determined if it’s silver or not?
     
  5. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    It is silver. But for some modern fakes this is irrelevant as all of them are silver and they are struck using archaic techniques. There is an entire industry of modern fakes.
    The discussion was here https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-suspicious-apollonia-drachm.372426/

    In the meantime I have discussed with other people and the conclusion was that there is nothing certain.
    This is of course better than knowing for sure it is just a fake but.....
    I prefer sticking to areas I know better as this subject is very complex and I saw very experienced collectors (I have 6 months of ancient coins experience) stating that they simply avoid this type of coins, preferred by the fakes industry.
    But let's get back to oldies but goldies :)
     
  6. Gam3rBlake

    Gam3rBlake Well-Known Member

    Oh yeah I know being silver doesn’t mean it’s real. I’m just saying it’s 1 thing to look at.

    Have you considered sending it to NGC or PCGS?

    Yes I recently learned that they don’t guarantee authenticity but if it gets by their graders & slabbed you could have a better chance of selling that.

    I mean that would not really be fraud. As long as you don’t know it’s not fake. You’re just selling it stating that the experts at NGC think it’s real.

    Maybe just sell it slabbed if it’s worth the money of sending in?

    Then you could get your money back (or some of it) if it’s real and buy something you know is real.
     
  7. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    The coin value does not justify sending it for grading. Especially for Europeans like me.
    About that drachm - I keep it in my collection. At least I am happy it is not a die match with a known fake. This means that nobody can state it is a fake. Frankly I am tempted to say there are 52.3% chances it is genuine:)
    I don't sell coins but when I will (and not in the near future) I will mention that I have doubts about its authenticity.

    What I wanted to point is that, personally, I will stick to coins I know better AND, for types of coins I want to learn about, I will choose ones that are not known to be preferred by forgers, such as Black Sea area coins.
     
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  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

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  9. DiomedesofArgos

    DiomedesofArgos Well-Known Member

    Speaking of fish money... My oldest and also my smallest:


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    MYSIA. Kyzikos. EL 1/48 Stater, ca. 600-550 B.C.
    Hurter & Liewald-III, 3.3; von Fritze-I, 5. Obverse: Head of tunny fish left; Reverse: Incuse square punch. 5.5mm in diameter



    Non-collectors love this tiny coin, both for the cute size and the age (although from what I have read 600BC is probably pushing it). The bonus story about how people supposedly used to keep these little coins in their mouths (and perhaps this coin even accidently made its way through someone's digestive track :vomit:) instead of pockets is also a big hit. :p
     
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  10. Hermann Watzlawik

    Hermann Watzlawik Well-Known Member

    My oldest coin from Syracus 422/421
    Obv. Head of Arethusa 3/4 forward, with headband and ribbon bow
    Rev. Octopus
    13,18 mm, 1.75 gr SAM_5848.JPG SAM_5845.JPG SAM_5848.JPG SAM_5845.JPG SAM_5848.JPG SAM_5845.JPG SAM_5848.JPG SAM_5845.JPG SAM_5848.JPG SAM_5845.JPG
    Giesecke, Silicia Numismatica, S. 34, 9a, Tfl. 10,15, Hunter 235, 210
    Brett Catalogue Pl. 4

    and

    Philipp II of Macedonia, AE19, uncertain mint, 6.02 gr, 17.96 mm. 359-336 BC.
    Obv: no legend, Head of Apollo right, wearing taenia
    Rev: ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΥ, Naked youth on horse prancing right, A below horse

    Ref.: L. Müller, die Münzen des thracischen Königs Lysimachus, Kopenhagen 1858
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  11. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Great thread....very nice coins.:D

    Here are some of my oldies....all are from 670-550BC 48b2569bdca0bf1ce3326ce84527df51.jpg 00102q00.jpg 253_1.jpg ee47b796459246455c1345f5698c7806.jpg 11710.2.36_1.jpg lf (19).jpg lot-6553809-XL.jpg lf (34).jpg lf (35).jpg
     
  12. Johndakerftw

    Johndakerftw Mr. Rogers is My Hero

    Panzerman, you and my bro are kind of twinning. Here's his oldest:

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    1/96th EL stater. Ionia.

    Here's my oldest:

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    1/12 stater. Ionia, Miletos.

    Ancient coins ftw!

    Erin
     
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  13. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    That is pretty neat! Erin.:)
     
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  14. Archeocultura

    Archeocultura Well-Known Member

    From Lydia, time of King Croesos who is alledgedly the first to issue coins
     

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  15. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    I think that is a AV Daric from the Persians who conquered Lydia. Cyrus the Great destroyed the Lydian army at Thymbra 546BC.
     
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