New to silver stacking and have a question

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  1. Christina Pernock

    Christina Pernock Active Member

    Hello all! I'm new to silver stacking and was wondering about something. I don't have a ton of money right now, I'm out of work due to covid (left work in March and have yet to go back since I start school in Jan and I currently live with my parents aka minimal rent) I took a bit out of my savings to buy a bit of silver lately since we have here in the us printed over 20% of all us dollars this year alone. In my situation would you think it would be fine for me to buy a bit of silver for savings/hedge? Also is it ok to ask for recommendations on local coin shops here? Thanks so much!
     
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  3. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    I think the answer depends on your personal situation and priorities. In general, bullion investment is a speculative sector with high transaction costs, which makes it a risky choice if one's personal finances are not yet stable. If someone had credit card debt not paid off, for example, then attending to that is likely to benefit one much more directly than metals investing.

    If you enjoy owning silver and other metals, and get some peace of mind from having an investment category resistant to inflation, than it could have a place alongside a diversified investment mix. Real estate and stocks are both also resistant to inflation and are taxed more favorably than metals in the US.
     
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  4. Christina Pernock

    Christina Pernock Active Member

    I understand what you mean. I am horrible at spending money. I'm a stress spender which is not good. I figured having a small separate silver savings would benifit me personally since I am also a coin collector it would take care of a separate savings and my need to buy something. I also understand not to buy at to high a price and to have limits. Thank you for the advice!
     
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  5. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    I personally do not recommend silver as an investment platform for novice investors. Best to put your money into a mutual fund in a roth IRA and let it grow. Stocks and silver are all speculative and if we all knew how to game the system, we'd all be rich (we aren't). Having said that, you can use www.coinzip.com to look for local dealers and shows.
     
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  6. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Not much savings + unemployed + college student + bullion investing = bad formula!
     
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  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    If you are stacking silver on a small budget, my suggestion would be to get an inexpensive coin album (Whitman, Dansco, Littleton, H.J. Harris, etc.)- or a couple of them- and work on collecting a series of silver coins (like Mercury dimes or silver Roosevelts or Washington quarters or Franklin halves), where you can buy the coins for as close as possible to their bullion (aka "spot" or "melt") price.

    Then you're tucking away some silver bullion, but also working on a date/mint set without paying too high a premium over spot price.

    If you're buying these coins in bulk from bullion dealers (APMEX, etc.), at near-spot prices, then you can keep working through the bulk lots and pulling out the dates you need for your album. You can continuously be filling holes and upgrading the coins as you find better examples- but stay close to spot price the whole time. Don't worry about the key dates until later, if you even want to get them. Just work on what you can buy as close to spot as possible.

    This way you get the best of both worlds: you're still saving some bullion, but you'll probably also find some coins with a modest numismatic premium as well.
     
  8. Heavymetal

    Heavymetal Well-Known Member

    Agree with all the above posts.
    I have stacked for 40 years
    Cashed out big during the great run up in 2009
    Got back in big time when silver dropped back 2010-13
    Since I’m retired I have time to appraise small collections from local folks.I advertise, Know what you own, as many people have inherited and know nothing about their box of coins. I’m always a buyer at 20% under spot so they don’t have to get scalped at the pawn shop
    When something with collectible value shows up, they get a choice of several quality dealers that I refer with my quote as a floor
    But don’t get too far into silver, gold or other collectibles that you’re short for cash
    PMs have historically been a hedge against politicians
    Don’t see any change in that
     
  9. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    That's what I did as a kid. My local dealer let me go thru the junk silver and build sets. At that time he charged me about 3X face value. I was lucky and never had to cash out. Still own the sets today. My dad was always teaching me to have a savings. He was happy I was doing something to save for those rainy days.
     
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  10. Garlicus

    Garlicus Debt is dumb, cash is king.

    Before you ‘stack silver’, I would suggest the following:
    - set yourself up to be successful with money, in life
    - get on a budget
    - have at least 3-6 months of expenses in an EMERGENCY fund
    - pay off ALL debt, starting with the smallest balance
    - pay with cash, or debit, never credit
    - 15% of income goes into a ROTH IRA/401k (in mutual funds)
    - check out some Dave Ramsey podcasts or YouTube videos

    Since you aren’t working, get a job at a convenience store, or other retail job that takes cash, and you can get the occasional silver coins at face value, with your manager’s or owner’s permission. You can also keep this job while attending school.

    P.S. - look in the return tray on Coinstar machines. Finders keepers, lol.
     
  11. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    Your advice is good. Paying of all debt is 100% my suggestion too. The one thing I'd disagree with is highlighted in red above. Always pay off the highest interest rate (carrying costs) first, not smallest balance.
     
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  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Metal detecting, once you’re practiced at it and find the right sites, can be another good way to “stack” some silver, at least in small quantities. It’s a lot of work, but fun. I amassed over a roll’s worth of Mercury dimes alone over the years, not counting the occasional silver quarters and the older, more numismatically interesting silver.

    That and coin roll hunting (particularly halves) are two ways to do it on the cheap.

    And some really neat stuff can be had at spot in World silver lots.
     
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  13. Garlicus

    Garlicus Debt is dumb, cash is king.

    Logically, that might make sense, but if someone is in large debt over various accounts, small victories of paying off debt is encouragement to continue. Most people need, and/or enjoy victories and a sense of accomplishment, as not to get discouraged. If people did what makes sense (analytically), they wouldn’t be in debt in the first place, other than a mortgage.

    Either way someone does it. The important thing is that it gets done and never happens again.
     
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  14. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    I do agree with this philosophy also. Psychological victories can be motivators. My advice would be to pick one small balance and pay it off if that's in someone's comfort zone. Then commit to high interest rates going forward. It's a much more fiscally prudent way to eliminate debt.
     
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  15. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    The most fiscally prudent way to eliminate debt is to pay off the highest interest rates first. Every other option is second best....
     
  16. FredJB

    FredJB Well-Known Member

    You still have savings? Great! Think in terms of long term. Don't use money that you will need to live on within a year or less. You never want to be in a position of having to sell at a loss. Next if you are investing in silver metal avoid collector coins and their premium prices. Just buy .999 1 oz items. Local dealers are best if their pricing is competitive. Remember not having to pay shipping is a plus. Also figure in sales tax as part of your cost and keep all receipts. Good records are a must should you ever have to deal with the tax man.
     
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  17. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    Agreed. My comment was a concession to the whole psychological motivation ;)
     
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  18. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    The best rule for investing that I know of is simple. Don't invest any more than you can afford to loose.
     
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  19. Christina Pernock

    Christina Pernock Active Member

    some good advice! i am going back to work in a few months so that isn't to much of a problem. I worked at a gas station/convenience store a few years ago and it was a horrible experience for me so i can say with 100% certainty i will never go back to that kind of job again.
     
  20. Christina Pernock

    Christina Pernock Active Member

    I've wanted to metal detect for a long time now! I just never actually doubled down and bought a detector. It gets more and more tempting with every passing year though!
     
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  21. Garlicus

    Garlicus Debt is dumb, cash is king.

    Sure changes your perspective on people, doesn’t it? lol
     
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