First, thanks are due to @TheRed for suggesting this in the thread, Ancient & Medieval Coins Canada (AMCC) 3, started by @ValiantKnight. Meanwhile, this is a case study in my ongoing adventures, since joining the forum, finding the .jpgs of my coins, especially older acquisitions. These were relatively easy to track down. First, my less than stellar denier of Henry II, as Duke of Aquitaine in right of his wife, Eleanor of (...wait for it...) Aquitaine. AR denier of Henry II, King of England 1154-1189, as de jure Duke of Aquitaine (from 1152). Obv. +hENRICVS REX. Rev. In four lines: o + o [/] AQVI [/] TANI [/] o E o. Duplessy 1030, Boudeau 469, Roberts 3881. (...Sorry, I don't have a copy of Elias, who goes into the series in much greater depth. Duplessy cites his no. 1; somewhere online, I found a reference to no. 7. ...Just wish I had the book.) Richard I, King of England 1189-1199, as count of Poitou (in northern Aquitaine; initially held as an appanage, from 1172.) Denier of Poitiers. Obv. +RICARDVS REX. Rev. In four lines: o [/] PIC [/] TAVIE [/] NSIS ('Pictaviensis;' Poitiers.) Duplessy 920-928. (Sadly, Duplessy doesn't list this variant, with the annulet at the top of the reverse. As Elias, in all likelihood, does. ...Yes, you lose some comprehensiveness with Duplessy --making him, in that sense, the more modern version of Boudeau, c. 1910's, who, in turn, abridged Poey d'Avant, c. 1860. But from Poey, there's a steady progression toward up-to-date numismatic techniques, especially regarding hoard evidence.) And this is my first, and worse example of Edward as duke of Aquitaine, prior to his coronation. (Nope, can't find the better one to lower the (expl.) rent.) Obv. lion, 'passant' (in heraldry, on all fours --but not exactly. In decent examples, one front paw is raised, and this (expl.) has a Lot of mane). (From 1 o'clock: ) +EDVVARD' FILI' (Edward, son....) Rev. (from 6 o'clock; dealer's picture: ) +h'REGIS ANGLIE (...[of] Henry [III], King of England.) By the 13th century, even in the medieval Latin, the transition is well underway, from the constructs, 'ANGLORVM' (late Anglo-Saxon coins; 'the English people') and 'FRANCORVM' ('the Frankish people;' from 9th-century Carolingian coins, but mostly in reference to, um, France), to the more substantive, Angevin and Capetian constructs, 'Anglie' and 'Francie.' (Duplessy 1037.)
I have admittedly not read Elias, but I find little reason to since Withers & Ford’s published their outstanding Catalogue of Anglo-Gallic coins (see my review here) I’ll post some of my examples when I am not on my phone!
Thanks, @FitzNigel. I can resonate with the first response to your review, from @Orfew, at least where Anglo-Gallics are concerned. ...Meanwhile, would you (or anyone?) suggest trawling online for used copies of Elias?
I’m sure you can find some reasonably priced copies. I might grab one someday since so many dealers still reference it, but I would rather get some books that cover areas I don’t have yet. okay, here are my Anglo-Gallic coins! French Feudal - Aquitaine Henry II, r. 1152-1168 Bordeaux Mint, BL Denier, 16.57mm x 0.8 grams Obv.: +hENRICVS REX, cross pattée Rev.: º+º / AQVI / TANI / ºEº, in four lines Ref.: AGC 2 (1/a), Duplessy 1030, Roberts 3881, SCBC 8001, (Elias 1) Ex. R.D. Frederick Collection. Ex. A.H. Baldwin this is my newest purchase: French Feudal - Aquitaine Richard I, r. 1168-1185 Bordeaux Mint, BL Obole, 14.20 mm x 0.4 grams Obv.: + / RICA / RDVS / ω, in four lines Rev.: +AQVITANIE, cross pattée Ref.: AGC 6 (1/a), Duplessy 1034, SCBC 8005, De Wit 400 I’ll need to replace this one at some point: French Feudal - Aquitaine Eleanor, r. 1185-1204 AR Denier, 17.86mm x 0.8 grams Obv.: + DVCISIT, M above, A below, two cross pattee on either side Rev.: + AQVITANIE, Cross Pattee inside Ref.: AGC 9B (1/a), Duplessy 1025 (Anonymous of William X), Roberts 4313, SCBC 8011, De Wit 401 And here’s my first medieval coin: French Feudal - Poitou Richard I, r. 1168-1185 AR Denier, 17mm x 1 grams Obv.: +RICARDUS REX, cross patée, annulet in third quarter Rev.: PIC / TAVIE / NSIS, written in three parallel lines Ref.: AGC 343A (1/a), Duplessy 926, Roberts 3887, SCBC 8008, De Wit 394 Note: My First Medieval Coin
Nice ones, @FitzNigel. If you ever do want to lose that Eleanor, you're cordially invited to let me know! The provenance couldn'thurt any. Meanwhile, I'm at least encouraged to go look for a copy of Elias, hopefully his most current. Wondering if Withers & Ford is already helping used copies to trend down.
France. Anglo-Gallic. Richard I, AD 1189-1199. BI Denier (19mm, 0.96g, 3h). Poitou mint. Obv: +RICARDVS REX; Cross pattée. Rev: PIC/TAVIE/NSIS; in three lines. Ref: Elias 8; SCBC 8008. Nice Very Fine, nicely toned. Ex Spink & Son with old ticket at 12.50 GBP.
Buying one of these for £12.50 is a dream... must be quite the old tag! Although we can say it is post decimalization I suppose...
Those are great coins @+VGO.DVCKS especially the Richard I denier from Poitou. It is a great looking coin, as is your denier of Henry II. The denier of Edward I is a very passable example. As always @FitzNigel you have some nice coins. Congrats on picking up the Aquitaine denier of Richard. They always look so much more poorly minted as compared to his coins from Poitou. @Edessa that is a really great coin too. Congrats on getting such a nice example. Here are a few examples I have and have shared before.
@TheRed, thanks for your generous votes of confidence about my examples, and your, can we just say, less ambiguously accurate observations about @FitzNigel's and @Edessa's ones. Gotta admit, your retrograde of Richard as Duke of Aquitaine gave me not one, but a series of double-takes. I'd never run into those. Eventually found it in Duplessy ((1033A, citing Elias (as of 2004), no. 4 d and Poey d'Avant no. 2770). Along the same lines, I'd never noticed before how much cruder the issues of Aquitaine are than of Poitou. Especially odd since the ducal issues go back to the 11th century. In fact, the ones of William IX and X run to being that much better struck, along with what you could call 'moderate' legend blundering. (...Rats, can't find any .jpgs of those, without major excavation.)