GTG: 1797 Tuppence

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  1. Chris B

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    I think yours is at least as good as the 2 64's that Heritage has sold. That 65 is a stunner. In my opinion, yours isn't quite that good but I also think the HA piece is better than a 65.

    Yours is better than any I have ever seen in person.
     
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  3. kazuma78

    kazuma78 Well-Known Member

    I'll give you 63 money any day of the week! ;)
     
    kazuma78, Jul 8, 2020
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  4. Coinsandmedals

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    @Chris B I could not agree more on all fronts.
     
    Coinsandmedals, Jul 8, 2020
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  5. serdogthehound

    serdogthehound Well-Known Member

    That 65 I kinda wonder if it should be Red Brown ? But that is an awesome coin no question.

    as for this coin I agree looks to be a ms64BN but a nice coin regardless
     
    serdogthehound, Jul 8, 2020
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  6. Robidoux Pass

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    Wow! Nice coin. One that I would look at often if it were in my collection. I think it should have graded higher, but as they say: you pay your money and you take your chances.
     
    Robidoux Pass, Jul 9, 2020
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  7. offa the saxon

    offa the saxon Well-Known Member

    I would grade it at EF on the European scale because of the dig marks
     
    offa the saxon, Aug 17, 2020
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  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    What "dig marks"? That Cartwheel 2d is a Mint State coin, and a Choice specimen at that. Were you referring to a different coin?
     
    lordmarcovan, Aug 19, 2020
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  9. offa the saxon

    offa the saxon Well-Known Member

    Reverse under the 7
     
    offa the saxon, Aug 20, 2020
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  10. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    Nope. Don't think so. Minor planchet irregularities, is what that looks like to me.
     
    lordmarcovan, Aug 20, 2020
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  11. offa the saxon

    offa the saxon Well-Known Member

    Well I think we will agree to disagree
     
    offa the saxon, Aug 21, 2020
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  12. Coinsandmedals

    Coinsandmedals Well-Known Member

    While I appreciate your opinion, I disagree with your assessment. After reexamining this coin in hand, the "dig marks" you are referring to are actually a continuous raised lump with no corresponding rim ding to account for it. I believe this is a cud, not a "dig mark" or as you put it "dig marks".
     
    Coinsandmedals, Aug 21, 2020
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  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    And this is the assessment I agree with. Looks like a cud or similar die-related anomaly to me?
     
    lordmarcovan, Aug 25, 2020
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  14. mrbadexample

    mrbadexample Well-Known Member

    I'll join the ranks of disagreement. This is simply not an EF coin.
     
    mrbadexample, Aug 26, 2020
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  15. mrbadexample

    mrbadexample Well-Known Member

    Is there a little edge bruise before the G? There seems to be a little swelling in the edge there unless it's a trick of the light. It doesn't detract for me though. ;)
     
    mrbadexample, Aug 26, 2020
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  16. Coinsandmedals

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    Good eye! The picture exaggerates it a bit, but yes there is a minor rim bump at 7 o'clock. Otherwise, the edges are smooth as can be.
     
    Coinsandmedals, Aug 26, 2020
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  17. mrbadexample

    mrbadexample Well-Known Member

    I'm wondering if that contributed to the grade being lower than expected? I'll admit I don't cope well with the Sheldon scale. :meh:
     
    mrbadexample, Aug 26, 2020
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  18. Coinsandmedals

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    It thought the same, but geesh that would have been very nit-picky given how minor the rim bump is.
     
    Coinsandmedals, Aug 26, 2020
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  19. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    Don't you Brits have a TPG service that uses a 100-point scale? I seem to recall seeing some British coins in slabs as such, that were done by a British company. Whether it was by some fly-by-night boiler room operation or an actual reputable service, I don't know.

    The 100-point scale makes a lot more sense to me (you can tie it to percentages), but getting American collectors and TPGs to abandon the quirky Sheldon Scale will probably never happen.

    I mean, look at how we've been with the Metric system. When I was a schoolkid in the '70s and '80s, I was told by teachers that we would have the USA fully transitioned to Metric by the 1990s. You see how well that went!

    We're a stubborn lot. Set in our ways.

    Colored currency notes? Perish the thought! That's for those foreigners!

    (2000s: OK, we'll add a tiny bit of color. To some of our notes.)
     
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  20. Mkman123

    Mkman123 Well-Known Member

    wowzah, this is a beautiful coin. I held one of these in person, my goodness, what heft! I do hope to get one of these someday for my crown sized collection
     
    Mkman123, Aug 27, 2020
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  21. 7Jags

    7Jags Well-Known Member

    CGS, run by London Coins is the grading service. They have been variable in my experience - IMO overgrading some, under grading others....

    I love the OP coin, although it is earlier than what I normally collect & would be proud to have such a coin. I am of the MS64BN club also and for the reasons stated.
     
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