Warning to people waiting for deliveries

Discussion in 'Bullion Investing' started by TyCobb, Apr 1, 2020.

  1. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    I apologize for a policy that differs from yours, but my post office has for decades delivered items with an address as R. Foss, POB 272, 55063-0272

    Please read the following link and learn what you may have been missing, or I may be misinformed:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=ups....69i57j0l2.23041j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    People will ask "Why does ups give my package to USPS?"
    Answer: UPS passes parcels to the Post Office everyday. The Post Office delivers to every address whether in the city or rural 6 days a week. It is a cost savings for UPS to pass off the final delivery to USPS. Why waste the money to send a package car to the rural areas when USPS is already going there.

    I believe you'll find the original contract between UPS and USPS was formulated in 2006, with addendums in 2010, 2014, 2019, where UPS is currently handling "mail", 7 days of the week. I believe you'll find other ground delivery services have final delivery by USPS also.

    I've a completely gated property with patrol dogs roaming inside. A past mail box had to be mounted on the nearest rural road, 1/4 mile from my house. The mail was constantly being stolen, and the box being exploded. The final UPS/USPS post office box system far surpasses past delivery systems, where I can receive large expensive items without problems, other than registered items getting lost because of only a final scan security requirement.

    I suspect your service was in an urban area, as we haven't a "postmaster", and often employees loaned from another facility. I often because of various USPS regulatory problems, unknown to employees, must deliver: The Mailing Standards of the United States Postal Service, Domestic Mail Manual.

    JMHO
     
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2020
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  3. slackaction1

    slackaction1 Supporter! Supporter

    The Post Office Service is legally obligated to serve all Americans, regardless of geography, at uniform price and quality. Ben Franklin said so 1775..
     
  4. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    That totally violates postal policy. Things are sure different in Pine City. At least you get your mail.
     
  5. coin_nut

    coin_nut Well-Known Member

    My mail delivery person now refuses to let me sign for things on her electronic device. Also I have very few deliveries showing up of late. I have stopped buying online for the time being. BTW, I live in Thailand.
     
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  6. Jim Dale

    Jim Dale Well-Known Member

    I few months ago, I ordered an expensive projector. It was shipped by UPS. I was notified of the date it would be delivered, then on the day before delivery, then the day of delivery. I'm retired, so I was home all day waiting for the delivery. When it was past time for delivery, I went to the back door and got the notice that it would have to be delivered the next day. I called UPS. The gave me the location of his next few deliveries. I got into my truck and tracked the sucker down and got my projector.
     
  7. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    I have had very good luck with USPS and FedEX. But on the other hand UPS seems to be not so responsible on how your packages are handled and delivered. Several of the packages we receive from UPS are damaged, some more severe than others. Good luck People.
     
  8. OldRetiredGuy

    OldRetiredGuy Member

    https://about.usps.com/newsroom/statements/usps-statement-on-coronavirus.htm outlines the USPS new guidelines for not requiring you to sign their electronic gizmo. However, I think some of the employees may be misinterpreting the last sentence of the 2nd bullet point - quoted here: "We have changed delivery procedures to eliminate the requirement that customers sign our Mobile Delivery Devices for delivery. For increased safety, employees will politely ask the customer to step back a safe distance or close the screen door/door so that they may leave the item in the mail receptacle or appropriate location by the customer door."

    I too had an almost $500 package left in my mailbox the other day that had signature confirmation on it rather than bringing it to our door as the above paragraph indicates they should have. Best suggestion is to sign up for their informed delivery and track your packages so you are there the day they deliver which in the current situation, most of us are.
     
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  9. Mike Thornton

    Mike Thornton Learning something new everyday.

    I'm in Houston, TX. My local USPS office has had problems for years. I caught our carrier passing by the box, for a delivery I was at home waiting for and tracking with live updates. Suddenly I'm notified, by text, "attempted delivery and no one home". I went outside and the carrier was gone. No attempt at delivering the package was made. I chased her down. Explained that I was waiting for the delivery and asked why she didn't come to the door or ring the bell. She said she did. I politely disagreed. Then went directly to the Post Office and reported her. This is not the first time this kind of issue occurred. Other times, my notification stated "left with recipient". Which was not the case and the package was just left on the porch in plain sight from the street.
    My advice, track every shipment and sign up for updates by text or email.

    On the positive side, the carrier has been replaced!
     
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  10. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It would be better if you had filed an online or a phone complaint. In this case calling or reporting to your local office is not good. An online or 1-800-ASK-USPS complaint creates a written record. You can use that record in the future if that problem happens again.
     
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  11. That's so 1775ish. :woot: Maybe Mr. Franklin needs to be brought back. Imagine the back pay.
     
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  12. TONYBRONX

    TONYBRONX Well-Known Member

    U.S REGISTERED MAIL!
     
  13. lehmansterms

    lehmansterms Many view intelligence as a hideous deformity

    A couple years ago my mail carrier signed for a small parcel (single coin) coming registered from Cyprus. I never got the coin. When I complained, they said - and I quote - "tough luck, you signed it and we have the signature". It then becomes a their word against mine situation and you will probably easily guess who won that one.
    Don't count on postal inspectors siding with you over the carriers and postal office workers. If something is stolen by an outside person, they're very good about investigating - when it's in-house, well, encouraged by the practices of "higher-ups" in recent years never, ever to admit making a mistake, cover-ups are now the national standard, evidently, right down to single mailpieces lost through the negligence of, or outright theft by, postal workers.
    That said, I've received and sent hundreds of similar-sized parcels over the last two decades and this was the first significant loss. It was doubly surprising - in that it happened at all, and that it was "excused" by so obvious of a cover-up - they seemed proud of themselves. It was extra unfortunate in that it was a pretty nice Ptolemaic tetradrachm rather than some more modest piece.
     
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  14. PlanoSteve

    PlanoSteve Well-Known Member

    I'm in Plano, & generally our postal service is great. But about a year or 2 ago, I was looking out the kitchen window & watched the mail delivery (replacement carrier) being made. About 10 min. later, I went out to retrieve the mail, which included a "delivery notice" for a certified letter (I was expecting) which noted that delivery was attempted, yada, yada...interestingly, it must have been filled out way before the delivery, since the carrier was only at the mailbox for 5 seconds!
     
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  15. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    I get that all the time. I'll literally be at my front door ready to step out of the house, and I'll get a "could not deliver" notice. Didn't even try.
     
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  16. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    My most recent 'Attempted Delivery' failure notice was just last Saturday. I was expecting a large, and expensive parcel (my metal detector). Needless to say social distancing kept us all housebound. Obviously home. Mail carrier dropped the mail in our curbside box, no parcel. I witnessed this thru the window.

    By the time I got outside the carrier was out of sight. Went to PO to see what could be done. Explained to the manager the occurrence and they tried defending the carrier....to no avail. He asked me to wait a moment. He phoned the carrier and asked him to sign the e-pad for me and leave the pkg on my front porch. This all could have been done initially. The carrier returned and completed the delivery.

    I've had this type of situation happen countless times in the decades we've been in this home. My disdain for the USPS runs deep. We never ever put outgoing mail in our box. We receive other people's mail in our box at least a couple of times a week. Complaining accomplishes absolutely nothing.

    Privatize the mail. Maybe accountability will make things better. The system as is, is broken, badly.
     
  17. whopper64

    whopper64 Well-Known Member

    In our area, USPS always leaves a sticky note on the inside door. That signifies that they need a signature, and I need to the Post Office to sign for and pick up the package. Talked to a retired postmaster, and he stated they've always done this. Maybe we're just lucky in this area (southern Nevada below Vegas) but so far so good.
     
  18. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It was probably filled out before the carrier left the office.
     
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  19. juris klavins

    juris klavins Well-Known Member

    I lucked out too - placed an order for a tube of 20 2020 ASEs from Monument Metals (no tax) for 400.20 (Silver spot was 17.00) = 18% premium.
    A week later, the spot price tanked and nothing was available for a while - now, with spot at 14.40, they're selling the same tube of 20 for 429.20 = 49% premium. :yack:
    BTW, they shipped via Priority Mail, Signature Tracking option - I had to sign for the package before taking possession from my letter carrier.
     
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  20. juris klavins

    juris klavins Well-Known Member

    Agreed - you can follow the progress of your incoming Priority Mail pieces by typing in the provided tracking number - when the status is 'out for delivery', you know it will be arriving that day at the usual delivery time - if I have a signature tracking package arriving, I meet my carrier at curbside & sign ;)
     
  21. myownprivy

    myownprivy Well-Known Member

    It all comes down to:
    1) The USPS is changing signature confirmation procedures during Covid19. They will now ask you for your verbal signature.
    2) The new risk here is that it would be very easy for the mailman to forge your signature, because this time it's not about accurately recreating your signature, but about claiming you two spoke.


    Deal with this as you may. For me, I won't be ordering bullion during Covid19. The prices are already absurd. Now with social distancing, signature confirmation for my valuable package is not really signature confirmation but "mailman's word versus your word." While in no way do I believe my mailman is dishonest, I do believe that an opportunity for theft has been created that did not exist before. The risk is now too high. Therefore, I will sit out bullion buying until this is over.
     
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