Need help with coin identification Spain? Hamburg?

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  1. Nathan F

    Nathan F Well-Known Member

    image.jpg image.jpg Found this coin and any help with identification whatsoever would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance!
     
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  3. dadams

    dadams Well-Known Member

    I'm guessing here -- Spain 2 Maravedis?
     
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  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Huh.

    This gives me a sense of déjà vu.

    I lean a bit more towards Spain than Hamburg (if only because of that little cross pattée at the top), but I can see why it's a conundrum.

    Tantalizingly, you have more lettering to work with than I did with my little dinky turreted mystery. I see "VNI [...]" there.

    I'm getting a 17th or 18th century vibe.
     
  6. tibor

    tibor Supporter! Supporter

    @Nathan F Make sure you squeeze those staples with some
    pliers so they don't damage any nearby coins. Good luck with
    the ID of the coin.
     
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  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    That was my immediate thought as well. I cringe when I see uncrimped staples.
     
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  8. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    I was thinking the same thing but I couldn't read enough of the legends to confirm the ruler. With nothing else to go on, this looks pretty close.

    https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces48590.html

    You could also check out some of the earlier Blancas to see if you can match the legends on your coin. These are billon pieces and I think yours is copper, but you never know

    https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces122745.html (there listings for other rulers as well)
     
  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I cringe when I see ANY of those type of coin holders... scary that you have to encapsulate them away, scary that you cannot see/photo through the artificial window, scary about staples/glue etc. around the coin... Saflips or similar / Abilfil Trays / other natural means are MUCH better in my book.
     
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  10. Nathan F

    Nathan F Well-Known Member

    I’m confused...are the cases damaging the coins.
     
  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I am not intending to confuse. I enjoy handling coins as opposed to the Modern notions of encapsulating coins. In my thoughts, aren't coins intended to be handled and passed on to other humans during transactions?

    A saflip style storage enables you to remove, handle, study, look at, etc. of a coin. When I first started collecting, I would remove my modern coins from stapled cardboard holders and put them into flips. US Collectors have "sanitized" the Hobby, training everyone that it is horrible to touch coins. For these reasons, I abandoned Modern collecting and moved into Ancients collecting. The few Moderns I kept after a large sell-off 30 years ago, I keep in saflips, and handle them by the edges. I collect as a Hobby, not as an investment motivated purchase.
     
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  12. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    Pre unification of Aragon and Castile into the one Kingdom of Spain (maybe) I say that from the castle on coins of Castile.
     
  13. Nathan F

    Nathan F Well-Known Member

    Gotcha. I guess I just use 2x2s because they’re easier to write on but will consider switching some of my better ancient coins to flips.
     
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  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    It is ALWAYS your choice. It is not an attack by any means. The above are my opinions, only, and not a judgement. I can only judge what I do and MY actions, not others. I take the position that you must ENJOY what you are doing. However, I also solicit and enjoy receiving alternative thoughts, ideas, etc. so that I can make the best informed decisions when I do anything. :)
     
  15. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    I have hundreds of low value coins in cardboard 2x2s (All with the staples crimped :shame:). They are cheap and easy to write on. Better stuff goes into Mylar flips. Make sure the flips DON'T contain PVC.

    I actually like the flips better, but the Safeflips are more expensive and brittle, so if you keep removing the coins, they will eventually crack along the fold. Another consideration if you store them in the 20 pocket pages in binders and move them around as you add new coins; the 2x2s tend to stretch the pockets a little, which can cause a loose fit if you put a flip in that spot.

    I have some coins like yours (low grade, beat up, marginally identifiable but really interesting to me). They're split between flips and 2x2s. One recommendation if you use 2x2s; accurately weigh the coin first. At some point you may want that info.
     
  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I think you're barking up the right tree in terms of design and the likeliness it's Spanish, but I can't shake the feeling that it's a tad later than those blancas, and copper rather than billon.

    I still get a strong 1600s-1700s vibe. All of which could be entirely wrong, of course. But the lettering on this mystery coin is more "modern" looking.
     
  17. robinjojo

    robinjojo Well-Known Member

    My guess is that this coin is a Spanish 2 maravedis, from the period of 1474-1504, possibly later (Ferdinand V and Isabella i).
     
  18. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I hope somebody can nail it down!

    (*The attribution, I mean. Not literally.) ;)
     
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  19. Cachecoins

    Cachecoins Historia Moneta

    Could it be a variation of Carlos II Ibiza?

    This example here has VNI to the right of the cross.

    252-270.jpg
     
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  20. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Aha!!!
     
  21. Nathan F

    Nathan F Well-Known Member

    I think your right, thanks everyone for the help!
     
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