A Dynamite Dynastic Denarius

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  1. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Once in a while you come across a coin that knocks your socks off. My latest acquisition is one such coin!


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    Vespasian
    AR Denarius, 3.16g
    Ephesus mint, 69-70 AD
    Obv: IMP•CAES VESP•AVG; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: LIBERI IMP AVG VESPAS; Heads of Titus, bare, r., and Domitian, bare, l., confronting; Φ in r. field
    RIC 1402 (R3). BMC-. RSC-. RPC 810 (0 Spec.). BNC-.
    Acquired from Kölner, February 2020.

    Ephesus struck a small series of denarii for Vespasian between 69 and 74. The issue is divided into groups based on evolving legends and mint marks. The same stock reverse types were repeated throughout the series, with the dynastic types perhaps being the scarcest. This is a second known example of the Ephesian Group 2 confronting heads dynastic type with the Φ mint mark in right field. The other specimen (Munzhandlung Basel 6, 18 March 1936, lot 1619) is from the same die pair but in much poorer condition. This is the first Ephesian issue to strike this particular dynastic type which copies a contemporaneous one from Rome. These early issues are undated but likely were produced in either late 69 or early 70 soon after Vespasian's accession. The Ephesian denarii were often engraved in very fine style and are highly desired by collectors for that reason. Unusually for Ephesus, this specimen has spacing dots on the obverse.

    Aside from the extreme rarity, I was attracted to this coin because of the portraits. On the obverse Vespasian is presented as an old middle age man while the reverse features Titus and Domitian as virile young men looking almost like teenage boys. The obverse advertises experience and a steady hand while the reverse promises an energetic and bright future. A perfect dynastic message.

    Feel free to post your dynastic coins!
     
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  3. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Three amazing portraits. This is a dream coin for Flavian collectors.
     
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  4. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    Amazing portraits and rarity (R3), Congrats! Here's another Ephesus (not dynastic) Vespasian. The style of these portraits is definitely what drew me to this coin:
    Vespasian Ephesus .jpg Vespasian (AD 69-79), AR denarius, Ephesus, July-December 69, die axis 6 o'clock
    Obv: IMP CAES VESPAS AVG, laureate head of Vespasian right
    Rev: PACI ORB — TERR AVG, turreted and draped female bust right, no [​IMG] below (?)
    Size: 15-18mm, 2.86g
    Ref: RIC 1397 (or maybe 1407 if there is a symbol there)
     
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  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Mine is the full length version showing two boys more slender than I think of from the Rome mint coins. As with too many of these, the small flan loses half of the reverse legend. Also my mintmark laying down in exergue is weak. The reverse portraits on the OP coin strike me as spectacular.
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  6. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

    What a great coin. If it was me, I would very much look forward to opening the mail after having ordered that one.
    Recently I've been busy building an archive of my collection, with photos and descriptions. One of my thoughts while doing so has been "I have too little dynastic coinage." Thank you very much indeed for reinforcing that notion. :D
    Well, there are exceptions.

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  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I see enough of a trace of it to say it is there. Small flans are the normal situation for these. I had to have the one below because of the broad flan in spite of the horrid flan cracks that come with a heavy hammer. I was also attracted to the more slender Pax on the coin compared to the somewhat 'similar to Vespasian' face on Sulla80's coin rb1263fd3389.jpg

    Is there an accepted date order to the mintmarks?
     
  8. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Incredible coin @David Atherton. Simply outstanding! BTW, I have a Constanntius II I can trade ya for it
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  9. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    A wonderful addition David. Amazing addition, Congrats.

    Here are a few of my Ephesian coins.

    Vespasian_RIC_1395_2_copy-removebg-preview.png Vespasian_RIC_1400_new-removebg-preview.png Vespasian_RIC_1428_new-removebg-preview.png Vespasian RIC 1425.jpg
     
  10. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Super coin, David. Knocked my socks off too, congrats.
     
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  11. Gary R. Wilson

    Gary R. Wilson ODERINT, DUM METUANT — CALIGULA

    Here's a rough Caracalla sestertius with Caracalla and Geta standing facing one another, sacrificing over altar, veiled Concordia standing in background.


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    Caracalla (Augustus)
    Coin: Brass Sestertius
    M AVREL ANTON INVS PIVS AVG - Laureate head of right
    PONTIF TR P XIII COS III - Caracalla and Geta standing facing one another, sacrificing over altar, veiled Concordia standing in background.
    Exergue: SC


    Mint: Rome (210 AD)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 22.89g / 32.71mm / 180
    Rarity: Very Rare
    References:
    RIC452b
    Banti 91
    Provenances:
    Marc Breitsprecher
    Acquisition/Sale: Ancient Imports Internet $0.00 8/17
    Notes: Jun 13, 18 - The Gary R. Wilson Collection
     
  12. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    I agree there is a trace of a mint mark below Tyche.

    And yes, the series is ordered by the COS dates on the obverse. The first two issues are the only ones with the shortened obverse legend lacking a date.
     
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  13. Sulla80

    Sulla80 Well-Known Member

    Not my area of expertise, but there does seem to be an order to the mint marks as well - maybe?
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  14. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    That chart gives the general idea. A few additions: COS II shares both the Φ and BY mintmarks. COS III has both a BY mint mark and no mint mark issue as well.
     
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  15. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Here is a different dynastic issue. I know the condition is not very good but it is a rare issue so I grabbed it when I saw it.

    Vespasian AR Denarius 71 CE
    18 mm 3.25 g
    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG TR P; laureate head of Vespasian r
    Rev: TITVS ET DOMITIAN CAESARES PRIN IVEN; Titus and Domitian seated left on curule chairs, each holding a branch
    RIC 1124 (R) RSC 544 BMC p 80 Note
    Purchased from Germania Inferior Numismatics on Vcoins June 14, 2019

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  16. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Here's one of mine

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    IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG
    Laureate head right

    TITVS ET DOMITIAN CAES PRIN IV
    Titus and Domitian seated left on curule chair, each holding a branch.

    Rome 69-70 AD

    2.83g

    RIC 6 (R); BMCRE pg. 8 note; RSC 541.

    Rare

    Ex-Barry Murphy
     
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  17. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Well-Known Member

    WOW! Amazing, great coin - I absolutely love it!
    No "fly specking" here.. this a wonderful coin and type... certainly a credit to any collection. Thank you for posting!
    Great piece of history!
     
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  18. Parthicus Maximus

    Parthicus Maximus Well-Known Member

    Fantastic coin David!
    I think that Titus and Domitian look better on this Ephesian denarius than on the dynastic type of Rome.
     
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  19. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    I agree. The style of the Ephesian series is superior to that of Rome. For comparison, here is my Rome version of the type.

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    Vespasian
    AR Denarius, 3.04g
    Rome Mint, January - June 70 AD
    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG; Head of Vespasian, laureate, r.
    Rev: CAESAR AVG F COS CAESAR AVG F PR; Bare heads of Titus on l. and Domitian on r., facing one another
    RIC 16 (R). BMC 2. RSC 5. BNC 1.
    Acquired from Ephesus Numismatics, November 2005.
     
  20. Nemo

    Nemo Well-Known Member

    One of the finest dynastic issues i've ever seen!

    Not as fine as Ephesus but the Tarraco mint put out a very appealing issue as well.
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    Vespasian AR Denarius, Tarraco mint, 70 AD
    Obv: IMP CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG; Vespasian, Laureate right.
    Rev: CEASAR AVG F COS CAESAR AVG F PR; Confronting heads of Titus right, and Domitian left.
    - RIC 1302 (R). BMC 351A. RSC 5. From the Gordon S. Parry Collection; Ex Lanz Auction 68 (6 June 1994) lot 360, sold for 420 DM; CNG E-auction 196 lot 263.
     
  21. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Wow @Nemo that is a lovely example
     
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