Featured A study in contrast: two $75 purchases - from totally different worlds

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by lordmarcovan, Mar 2, 2020.

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Which appeals to you?

  1. 1. The Roman

    31 vote(s)
    47.7%
  2. 2. The Lincoln

    10 vote(s)
    15.4%
  3. Like 'em both, for different reasons

    22 vote(s)
    33.8%
  4. Neither one impresses me much

    3 vote(s)
    4.6%
  5. Coins? Pah! I'd rather have a McDonald's Shamrock Shake.

    1 vote(s)
    1.5%
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  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Coin 1: Roman Empire, silver denarius of Julia Mamaea, circa 222-235 AD

    XF, some light cabinet toning.

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    Coin 2: "Watermelon Inversion": monster-toned 1965 SMS Lincoln Memorial cent, PCGS SP66 RB

    From the WingedLiberty "Color of Money" collection on the PCGS Registry. Population 24 with 3 higher as of 3/2/20.

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    The previous owner called it "Greenhead Lincoln". I changed the name to "Watermelon Inversion" 'cause it's pink on the outside and green on the inside, and I thought the name sounded more like, rad, man. LOL.

    Lovely toning or not, I'd never have bought a Memorial cent for my collection, but "never say never", right? This one is from my birthyear, and, like it or loathe it, you must admit that it's an attention-grabber.

    So... quite a study in contrast. Two coins which appeal to two entirely different collecting specialties. Each will have its devotees and detractors. I like both, obviously, or I wouldn't have bought them.

    Also, each was bought while on sale (or via bargaining), and each had originally been priced at $100.

    (OK, technically the ancient cost me $80 after shipping.)

    Which do you like? Both? Neither?
     
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  3. SchwaVB57

    SchwaVB57 Well-Known Member

    They are both nice additions to any collections. The Lincoln is an exceptional addition.
     
  4. bradgator2

    bradgator2 Well-Known Member

    Love the Lincoln. Although I have those 3 special mint sets in the OGP, I’ve been toying with the idea of building my own custom set with all cameos. But that penny makes me contemplate beautiful toners instead.

    It is amazing they were the same price. Must... resist.... the dark side
     
  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

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  7. bradgator2

    bradgator2 Well-Known Member

    lol

    I get anxiety just thinking about it. But only from a lack of knowledge standpoint. I feel like I have barely scratched the surface on learning about “our” stuff.
     
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  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    That feeling is probably the biggest obstacle most folks perceive, which holds them back from branching out. But sometimes you just have to take the plunge.

    Despite the old "buy the book before you buy the coin" maxim (sound advice, but seldom followed by me), I find that most of my learning happens after I buy the coin. Ownership of a coin makes me more interested in its place in history and geography, and more likely to do the reading.

    The "Dark Side"* is nothing if not extremely educational.

    ("Dark Side" = World & Ancient coins, to you newer folks not yet hip to the slang.)


    For example, even though I'm an American, I doubt I could name off all of our presidents in order once you get back before 1900 or so, but I can recite the kings and queens of England back to at least the late 1400s without cracking a book. (Things get a bit murky for me around the Wars of the Roses). And I can name the Twelve Caesars of Rome and their immediate successors for a little while without peeking at Wikipedia.

    Think I learned that in my public school education in Georgia? Nope! Coins taught me those things, and much, much more, including my knack for geography.

    I'm really glad I branched out into World coins early. I wouldn't have known what I was missing.

    You're even allowed to continue your enjoyment of US coins after a switch to the Dark Side. ;)

    Why just one or the other? Both, I say!

    Don't worry about not knowing enough. The coins themselves will teach you, if you're curious.
     
  9. Inspector43

    Inspector43 Celebrating 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    Like both of them. My oldest daughter was born in 1965 and I have given her most of my nice coins from '65. I think the toned Lincolns are very special. Yours is great.
     
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  10. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I lean towards the ancient obviously, only because you've seen one lincoln you've seen them all. But I admit to not loving the ancient either only because of the mark on the cheek. When I look at it, that's all I see.

    But I do have some coins with marks, dead center, but the cost outweighed the blemish.

    She's common enough though and for $80. The toning isn't worth the premium.
     
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  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I noticed the mark on the cheek before buying, and it's the one negative that stood out for me too, but didn't bother me enough to be a dealbreaker, obviously.

    I intend to examine that more closely under a loupe when the coin arrives. I'm hoping it's one of those shallower kind of scuffs that might look different in a different photo, or which can be mitigated with some conservation.

    We'll see. I liked the coin enough based on the photos to take a chance on it. I know it's relatively common for a 3rd century denarius- if it wasn't, it wouldn't have been available for under a hundred bucks, most likely.
     
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  12. Andrew McMenamin

    Andrew McMenamin Nerva You Mind


    Which do you like? Both? Neither?


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  13. Tonkawa Bill

    Tonkawa Bill Member

     
  14. xlrcable

    xlrcable Active Member

    Another latent convert here who really wants to believe Lord M’s advice that “the coins will teach you.” But it’s a huge and intimidating field and I just need to read that one book to get started: The Idiot’s Guide To The Dark Side. Who has a copy?
     
  15. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I'd write it, but you might wanna take my advice (including any and all above) with the proverbial grain of salt. ;)
     
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  16. tenbobbit

    tenbobbit Well-Known Member

    One point that needs some attention is that these coins were produced 1800years apart, using very different tools and techniques.

    The Julia Mamaea has a wonderful Obverse die but is paired with a poorly executed and worn Reverse die, this is often the case with ancients.
    Perfection costs a LOT of money in the ancients realm so some sacrifices have to be made, the mark on the Obverse is not an issue but the Reverse will hold it back.


    The 65 Lincoln is ……… a 65 Lincoln !!

    So your options are - an 1800 yr old coin in very nice condition or a 55 yr old Lincoln with a questionable ( to me ) appearance.

    I urge folks to embrace the history contained within the Denarius and to ignore the modern practice of dumbing down.

    Just my 2p worth.
     
  17. bradgator2

    bradgator2 Well-Known Member

    Julia Maesa? Never heard of him.
     
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  18. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Artist & Historian Supporter

    [QUOTE="lordmarcovan, post: 4197672, member:...Watermelon Inversion...Which do you like? Both?...[/QUOTE]

    Watermelon Inversion is a great name for the Lincoln Cent or Lincoln Borealis because it brings the Northern Lights to mind.

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  19. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    I love both, Rob! I’m also a card carrying member of both sides of the Force.
     
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  20. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    The color is nice on the Lincoln but I can’t get the slightest bit interested in something so modern. The ancient is interesting to me but not what I collect
     
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  21. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    You're in luck. It has been copied and pasted in its entirety on CoinTalk:

    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancient-coins-beginners’-faq-thread.324858/


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    The condensed version:
    • Browse some ancient coins for sale
    • Buy one
    • Google for information
    • Post it to CoinTalk
    • Repeat
    Added bonus: Collect what you like... there are no sets, no competitions, and no need for slabs! Wheeeeeeee!!
     
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