Does MS70 harm coins?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by brinssig, Dec 24, 2019.

  1. brinssig

    brinssig Active Member

    When you say there are better things to use on coins other than proof coins besides MS70 what do you mean by that? Are there other things I would get better results from? There are many uncirculated coins I have used MS70 on and gotten really good results. If MS70 is safe for silver coins why not use it? MS70 seems to do a much better job of taking off stuff from coins and it is also easier to use and is not as time-consuming. I could see why using MS70 on a circulated coin may not be good since it may uncover a lot of scars on the coin.
     
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  3. brinssig

    brinssig Active Member

    I never wipe coins. I will dab them to get excess moisture off but I will never wipe them. Would it be safe to dab a coin with a microfiber cloth or a cotton face cloth?

    As far as never touching a coin on the surface with my fingers that is a basic rule I learned a long time ago.
     
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  4. brinssig

    brinssig Active Member

    I always wash my hands before handling coins.
     
  5. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    ...and after, if they are in the "junk" box. A water filter, up to and including reverse osmosis can never give you 100% (or close to it) water. No matter how much you filter water, the truly dissolved materials will remain. With that being said, you are perfectly justified using tap water for all but the final rinse(s). Patting a coin to dry it removes the water before it can evaporate and deposit any dissolved material.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It's going to be pretty rare that distilled water, acetone, and or xylene doesn't remove whatever it is you're trying to get off the coin. I really can't think of any substance that one or more of those 3 things won't get off the coin that Coin Care will get off the coin.

    But the primary point is this, none of those 3 things will harm the coin, and they will take off anything that Coin Care will, so why would you want to risk using something that will be harmful to the coin ? In all honesty, you should simply throw Coin Care away and just not use it.

    That said, if you do use it, then you need to rinse the coin in xylene (acetone doesn't work well for this) afterwards to remove the oils Coin Care leaves behind, and then do a final rinse in distilled water, and then put a soft towel or cloth down on the countertop, stand the coin on edge leaning up against the backsplash, and let the coin air dry.

    Yuu can use it for a preliminary rinse but make sure to use distilled water as the final rinse.

    You say MS70 seems to do a much better job - a much better job than what exactly ? Have you used the processes I've described with distilled water, acetone, and xylene ? There ism't anything, other than haze on Proof coins, that those 3 things will not take off a coin that MS70 will take off a coin ! And all 3 of them are 3 to 5 times cheaper, or more, than MS70. So why use MS70 ?

    A lot of folks seem to think it is but that's debatable. First of all, you are thinking that microfiber cloths are soft, softer than other cloths, but do you know what microfiber cloths are made of ? They are made of very fine plastic fibers, and those plastic fibers are very hard and very sharp. And they can hairline a coin to death and you can't even see it with the naked eye. Do you know why microfiber cloths were invented ? It's because they do such a great job of polishing things. Do you know why they do such a great job of polishing ? It's because they are so fine, and hard and sharp. It's because the scratches and hairlines they leave behind are too fine to see with the naked eye. But those scratches and hairlines are still there !

    Now cotton is much the same way, and at least it is a natural fiber, but it will still hairline a coin.

    So, why risk dabbing or blotting a coin with something that can and may harm the coin - when there is a better way that will not and cannot harm the coin in any way ? And I described that method for drying coins above.
     
  7. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    I think your confusion comes from trying to find a “one size fits all” answer. When it comes to coin cleaning, there ain’t one.


    Your initial question is like asking “there’s funny noise coming from my car, can you help me fix it”, but not providing any details. Then you’re getting frustrated when members don’t provide you with a “Fixing Funny Noises” repair manual to verify their responses.


    What Doug and others are trying to point out is that you need to have a basic understanding of how each cleaning method will react to the coin surface and to the substance you want to remove. It’s a pretty complex subject. Doug’s recent responses do a good job of covering some basics without getting hung up in the chemistry. If they’re not making sense, you really should consider stepping away from coin cleaning until you become more comfortable with the basics.
     
  8. TexAg

    TexAg Well-Known Member

    Is it okay to use a blow dryer to finish the drying process after rinsing a coin with distilled water?
     
  9. brinssig

    brinssig Active Member

    I appreciate your help. Will acetone get paint thinner off of coins or do I have to use xylene to get off the paint thinner since paint thinner is oily? I just used the acetone to get off the paint thinner on some of my coins. I have the coins lying in a kointain half but they are not lying perfectly flat. I also have a fan blowing on them.
     
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  10. brinssig

    brinssig Active Member

    I have tried using acetone to get the green stuff off of coins but it doesn't seem to work for me but when I use the MS70 it gets it off. Does the acetone have to be left on for a long time and is not working for me because I am not allowing it enough time to work? What would I use to get green stuff off of coins? I think most of the time when I treat coins there is something green on the coin. How do you tell what is the green stuff on a coin so you know how to treat it?

    If I use xylene how would I dispose of it after I use it? Is it combustible like acetone? Would I have to take it to a hardware store?
     
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  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I'd use xylene as it works much better at removing oils and or oily residues.

    A very, very, bad idea. Acetone dissolves most plastics - kointains are made of plastic ! You MUST remove the coins from kointains or any other coin holder before putting them in acetone or xylene !

    This is also a bad idea - please don't do it ! It could be dangerous under certain circumstances because the fumes are explosive and a fan will only increase the amount of fumes.

    As I mentioned before, the proper way to do things is described in this thread -
    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/proper-acetone-procedure.193708/

    Please follow those directions and only those directions.
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It takes experience to know what is on coins. Green stuff ? PVC residue can be green but isn't always green, verdigris is green, even some toning is green, and there are who knows how many other things that could be green. The proper way to clean coins is described in the thread I linked above above. And what I described in that thread are the only things you should do.

    When you have questions about to do to a coin, post pictures of the coin and ask what to do ! But the answers are almost always going to be to follow the direction in that thread. About the only time the answer is going to be different is when you have verdigris on a coin. To remove verdigris you should use a product called Verdi-Care, and follow the directions that come with it.

    Yes xylene is very combustible, yes you should put it in a metal container with a lid that can be sealed, and take it back to a hardware or paint store. Small amounts of xylene will also evaporate like acetone does and just as quickly but it's not as harmless as acetone is so you don't really want to just pour it out on the driveway.
     
  13. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Treat it like gasoline. In fact, you can use it like gasoline -- by itself, it's got an octane rating of 115 or so, so you could dump it into your car's tank as an octane booster. Of course, depending on what's dissolved in it from your coin, this might not be a good idea. But if you think about how much dirt was on your coin, and how much dirt is on the typical filling-station nozzle...

    (Disclaimer: I know a bit about chemistry, but I'm no car expert. Don't risk your engine based on my advice!)
     
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  14. brinssig

    brinssig Active Member

    I'm sorry, I don't think I was clear enough that I had first rinsed off the acetone with distilled water before I had set the coins down and put the fan on them to dry off. I would think there would be no problem with an explosion if the coins are first rinsed off?
     
  15. brinssig

    brinssig Active Member

    What type of container would you suggest to use if a coin has to be treated with acetone so a lot of it doesn't evaporate?
     
  16. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    I'd use a glass container or stainless steel.
     
  17. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Any clean glass jar with flat surface top. Glass or porcelain tile on top, galzed side down works great.
     
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  18. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I probably wouldn't. Blow dryers blow unfiltered air, so they're slinging any dust in the air against your coin. Since the coin's damp, the dust is likely to stick. And, of course, you don't want to heat the coin.
     
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  19. ptHoneyBadger

    ptHoneyBadger Member

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    I like these. The lid has a PTFE liner that is resistant to most solvents (alcohol, acetone, xylene, aromatic hydrocarbons, and most mild acids) They are wide mouthed for easy access.
     
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  20. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Hmm... very cool, but I'd be completely in the doghouse if I brought 24 more containers into the house. :rolleyes:
     
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  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You're correct, I did not understand that based on what you originally said.

    You're correct.
     
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