Apparent Fraud

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by ToughCOINS, Jan 16, 2020.

  1. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    I like the idea of glitter along with a note that thanks them for the phony money order. Cheap way to get back with a 55 cent stamp. Done and over. Reporting to police is the right thing to do but also dangerous these days. And it may tie up a lot more of your time. If it's in state you might be required to appear in court so the perp can face their accuser. If out of state I would not trust a district attorney not keep your personal info from them. Be safe my friend.
     
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  3. ripple

    ripple Active Member

    How can you have fun if it’s legal?

    Nah, the cooler heads above prevail I think. You have no idea what this person is capable of so better safe than sorry. Or worse.
     
  4. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    I really like the idea of sending a photocopy of the coin. Or don't do anything and tell him you shipped it. Wait to see if he complains about not receiving it

    If it's outside the US, I would just ignore it
     
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  5. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    Never say never. This is not strictly true anymore, only mostly true:

    See https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/how-to-know-its-really-the-irs-calling-or-knocking-on-your-door
     
  6. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Local police won't do anything, Postal Police however would. Anything through the mail is a federal felony
     
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  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    It will only cost you a stamp and a little time but I would return the money order to him with a small note that says you only accept USPS money orders.

    Of course he committed fraud and he used the postal service to do so. The fact that he mailed the money order to you is a crime in itself. I believe you 100% but in the eyes of the law, what proof do you really have and are you willing to jump through all the hoops that a legal process would take?

    The last thing you want to do is commit some type of fraud yourself. That is why I'd return his payment.
     
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  8. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    The cops of whatever ilk you care to invoke won't do squat. They have bigger fish to fry. Either ignore it or send him a photocopy of the coin.
     
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  9. thomas mozzillo

    thomas mozzillo Well-Known Member

    If he sent you the money order via the USPS wouldn't that be a Federal crime? Mail fraud? Tell him you're notifying the USPS Police unit. Maybe that will put some fear into him. I wouldn't send him anything via the USPS as you may be committing the same crime if you send him something other than the real item.
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  10. Rushmore

    Rushmore Coin Addict

    Go for the glitter bomb!
     
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  11. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Yep

    Exactly.
     
  12. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    @ToughCOINS, did the perp give a real street address? Or just a P.O. box, etc.?
     
  13. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    street address
     
  14. Jayyk38

    Jayyk38 Member

    Mail back a copy of the fake MO and write a nice little message or something! Hahaaa!
     
  15. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    I would just say that this money order came back fraudulent, so I can't send any coins. But that I will be handing it over to the police, with any information I have.
    You will never hear from them again.
     
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  16. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    Don't send it back through the mail! One he will have it to use on someone else who might not notice and 2 you might be guilty of the same thing he is ...sending a fraudulent MO through the mail.
     
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  17. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Turn it over to the postal inspectors to handle. Then just go about your business. if he contacts you again about the coin just tell them " I told you I would send it to you once the MO clears my account and it hasn't cleared yet."
     
  18. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    I do love the idea of a glitter bomb (they call it craft herpes for a reason), but the sane adult side of me sides with @Conder101.

    His suggested response has the simplicity of being the truth.

    Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) once said there are only two socially acceptable ways to tell a lie. One is to tell the truth but not the whole truth. The other is to tell the truth in such a way that nobody believes you.
     
  19. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Lol, Randy, I do almost the same thing when I answer these calls! Mine is, “FBI Field Office, how may I direct your call?” They don’t know what to say, they’re so stupid! :D
     
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  20. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    After reflection, I think I'll file a complaint with the USPIS as suggested by @TopcatCoin, and contact NCIC with the information. Those are less fun than I wanted to have, but should limit how much future damage this guy can inflict.
     
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