Peaking interest

I agree,the edge looks tampered with to me

 

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Some kind of vise job I think. A normal strike coin that was squeezed somehow.

 

PMD

 

No cigar

 

We can still have cigars.lol

This goes to show,perception is everything,cheers

 

Hi everyone! I'm Nicole Kidd. I was given the link to this forum to follow the comments on my "Frankenstein Penny". I just wanted to introduce myself and add a few comments. First of all, I am BRAND NEW to this hobby. I am having a blast. I'm a realist, and this is completely for fun. So let it be known, if it is a "Frankenstein" project, I assure you that I wouldn't even know where to begin with that one. I found it in a roll of pennies last night, and immediately thought "damage". I only posted it because I wanted to expand my knowledge on what could've possibly created that. I, never in a million years, expected this much feedback. NOW, yall have gotten me intrigued. Seeing as I'm home from work with the flu today, I've been doing my own research to learn some new terms. Today has, certainly, been a great learning experience, and I appreciate all of the input All of your opinions are respected and taken into consideration. I do have a couple of questions for anyone who isn't sick of this penny. Please remember, I only learned these terms today, so if I use them incorrectly, my apologies. First question is related to this article that I found https://www.numismaticnews.net/article/missing-top-layer-makes-quarter-rare... I included this link. It's an interesting read...pretty confusing for me, but y'all might understand better. Does this penny not have anything to do with the "clad"? If not, why and how can you tell? Thanks

 

I think the pic from that angle clarifies that it's PMD

 

WOW! neat TN! absolutely cool ! Perspective indeed!!!!

 

What's "TN"?

 

That's what a few people said on the other site that I'm on. What I don't under is... What's the difference between that and a missing clad layer? (I think I said that right). Thanks

 

*understand

 

lol! Its a screen name to a guy here ...Foundin TN.

First off, WELCOME! Very cool for you to drop into this conversation!

Where did you say you got this thing?

I will apologize in advance because I do not want to offend but if you havent done so already, research "how a coin is made" at the mint. IT may help you understand why some people here question the coins validity. Theres not a way I know of in the minting process for this type of thing to even happen but ....Im no expert at all

Even if its a fake or whatever you want to call it, I personally think its cool and very interesting. If its a fake, someone took the time and effort to create it.

 

TN as in his user name FoundinTN or the abbreviation for Tennessee. Hehehe

 

PMD - are we casting lots on Survivor?

I'll try to expand a little because I like to have fun with guessing causes (although only the person that created this can know for sure).

My first impression was that the coin was a pure vice grip/plier job (compression and torque, seems to be confirmed by twisted shape from the edge photo) followed by a repair job (use of some adhesive on the reverse). The more I looked at the first two photos, the more I was convinced that it was PMD on two coins that Dr. Frankenstein decided to mate.

However, the next pics that FoundinTN posted had me intrigued a bit because, rather than a mad experiment involving two coins, it looked like a single coin with a loose flap that had been repaired - I've seen this on a few lamination errors (sorry, no evidence) that someone thought they should repair and on old hammered coins (that also looked Elmer glued together).

The third picture seems to show that it's like a hinge? Is that correct, Nicole? If so, is the legend intact or is it sheered apart around the "S" (like it appears to be in the first two sets of photos).

However, regardless of what it is now, it definitely didn't leave the mint like that, nor does it seem anywhere near possible that the damage stemmed from purely mint-related issues (a planchet flaw, etc.). I say this because the loose hinged part, where it connects with the "S" is stretched and warped, like someone pulled on it (think taffy). Rather than matching like a puzzle, the "S" on the hinged portion is now larger than the "S" on the primary portion.

I could believe a theory that this coin may have had a lamination issue. I could also be convinced that this caused someone to want to get a peak underneath the hood (I'll admit guilt in doing things like this in the past, like splitting a bimetallic coin apart or sawing a clad in half. No one else got a case of swamp leeches? I'm the only one? What's the deal?).

However, the compression, torqued shape, and warped lettering all seem to point towards at least some level of (if not all) manmade damage. Thus, any potential (if any) value this may have had as an error is gone and it is purely PMD now as Fred stated.

Please correct me if my logic is flawed at all, y'all!

 

Glad you joined us Nicole,welcome. Yes,TN is for Tennessee. Enjoy your stay and feel free to post anything you have questions about.

 

Great coin and you had good instinct. Sorry to hear you got the flu!

This is by far the best place to get honest straight answers on the web. This group will not tell you "what you hope to hear" but rather "what you NEED to hear" which you will appreciate being a realist!!!! good luck in your search!!

 

Hi Nicole!

I thought I wrote about missing clad layers, but I didn’t. I don’t think it applies to this coin.

typically, you’ll see this on clad CuNi coins, e.g., dimes and quarters. Pennies are copper- plated zinc for the year of your coin (1982 onwards). It’s possible that a penny could have exposed zinc (missing part of the plating), but it doesn’t appear to apply here.

The way I explained it to my son is that you can see missing clad layers 3 ways:

(1) The Deadpool - Looks like raw skin (entire layer is missing -copper fully exposed)

(2) The Two-Face - half (can be more or less) of the face looks burned (partially missing layer - there’s typically a “step” effect).

(3) The Proactiv Commercial - looks like a teen with bad acne (spots of missing layers - looks mottled).

Here it looks like part of the coin is coming off. I think this would be closer to a (de)lamination, but again, most likely man made PMD.

This got me thinking of a missing clad layer on a penny struck on a clad dime planchet. That would be something to look at for sure!

As for Frankenstein coins, I personally find them amusing and keep them. Obvious vice job “brockages” are fun, as are coins that look like paper clips, but my favorite was an old groat that’s 3/4 Queen Elizabeth and 1/4 Henry VIII. Talk about royal inbreeding

I’ve misplaced it, but it was like the creator decided to tape together a shredded document (you’ll often see hammered coins that are either 1/4 or 1/2 of the coin).

Basically, if you like it, then keep it. It doesn’t matter how it came to be, it’s whether you want to collect it or not.

 

I have to disagree with everyone except @Mountain Man . The shape of the overlay is obviously a bit of scrap from the planchet strip. Here’s what that looks like. In this case the planchet and cut-out strip are for a nickel, but that’s immaterial for this discussion.





Just take one of those two scrap pieces, overlay it on the planchet, then run it trough the coin press and hammer them together.

I would call this coin a “struck through planchet webbing”. With the planchet webbing retained in the coin.

 

No

 

Except there's no such thing as copper-coated zinc webbing. The Mint buys cent blanks pre-made from Jarden, and while I can't find an explicit description of their production process, it's pretty clear that cent blanks are coated after they're punched out. (Otherwise we'd see exposed zinc along the edge, and they'd rot away even faster than they do.)