Need a little "big" help here - no idea from which country

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  1. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    As I have said some time ago on this thread: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/need-a-little-help-with-these-lincoln-cents.322331/#post-3172101

    I volunteer at a local charity shop ( http://www.economyshop.org/ ) and somebody donated a bag of some 100 coins mostly from the late 1800's to the end of WWII.

    I am trying to identify these coins as best as I can for the economy shop, and I am stuck with these 3 coins with letterings that I absolutely can't read, I guess they are from an Asian country. Maybe someone can can tell me where they are from? Your help is very much appreciated. :)

    I have not measured nor weighted them, just need to know the country of origin.
    Coin # 1:
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    Coins #2 & 3:
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  3. Bradley Trotter

    Bradley Trotter Well-Known Member

    All coins are from Japan.

    Coin #1 is 1948 50 Sen Coin

    Coin #2 is a 1 Sen Coin minted in 1942 based on your photos.

    Coin #3 is a 10 Sen Coin minted in 1942.
     
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  4. cmezner

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    Awesome !!! Thank you so very much! :)))
     
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  5. Bradley Trotter

    Bradley Trotter Well-Known Member

    No problem, if you have any other world coins you'd wish to have attributed, please go right ahead and post them.
     
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  6. cmezner

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    Yessss :happy: thank you very much, I have a lot of them, (at least for me it seems a lot..:wideyed:), about 100 and I have just started. Lot of trouble identifying and putting each and every one in a coin holder: among them there is one from the US that says, 'Shoot Him on the Spot' 1863, I think it is not a coin; coins from Deutsches Reich 1889, 1890, 1900, 1908; Republic of Liberia 1890 (I think this country doesn't exist anymore, or?), Imperial British East Africa 1888, Netherlands East Indies 1913, Edward VII, Kingdom of Canada within of British Commonwealth 1903, and on and on.. as you can see it is a mix of different countries :confused:will take some pictures and post them, your help is very much appreciated
     
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  8. ewomack

    ewomack 魚の下着

    The sure sign that the coins above originated from Japan is the "日本" on each of them. This reads "Nihon" and is how Japan generally refers to itself. The date of both coins means that the characters read right to left, so "Nihon" appears as "本日" on them in two variations. "大日本," or "本日大" as they appear on the coin, refers to the empire of Japan that dissolved after WWII. "日本國," or "國本日" as it appears on the coin, refers to the state of Japan that began under the US Occupation. The most recent Japanese coins will have the Kanji "日本国" on them, displayed left to right.

    All of these coins are fairly common, pretty easy to find and inexpensive to purchase. The two silver colored coins are made from tin because Japan was preserving metals for their war effort. They made millions of them.
     
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  9. Bradley Trotter

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  10. cmezner

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    I guessed it is a token, because it does not have a denomination; well, I do not know anything at all about these coins:(

    here is the token, I guess DIX on the reverse does not mean 10 cents
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    and one cent from Liberia:
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  11. Hiddendragon

    Hiddendragon World coin collector

    For the casual collector I think an easier sign of coins from Japan is the chrysanthemum (sp?) on the coins. That's the giveaway to me and is much easier to remember than characters that mean nothing to most Westerners.
     
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  13. Bradley Trotter

    Bradley Trotter Well-Known Member

    That Liberian coin is an impaired proof pattern. I'd highly recommend flipping it or keeping it separate from the rest of the coins.
     
  14. ewomack

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    That would work great, but not all Japanese coins display a chrysanthemum. None of the modern circulating coins do and many of the older coins don't either.
     
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  15. cmezner

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    My apologies, I have no idea what this means... impaired proof pattern? flipping it? separate from the rest? Do you mean it has BD?:confused:
     
  16. Bradley Trotter

    Bradley Trotter Well-Known Member

    I apologize for not responding earlier to your question. Flipping refers to the practice of mounting coins in a 2 x 2 cardboard mount such as this coin below.

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    While on the other hand, an impaired proof pattern means two things. The Liberian coin was essentially a concept coin hence the term pattern. Nonetheless, impaired proof refers to the surface condition and strike of the coin.
     
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  17. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    I'm not sure where you came up with that definition, but flipping in numismatics means selling that coin with the intent for profit. Putting it in a 2x2 means doing just that. If you tell someone to flip their coin, you're telling them to sell it. No need for fancy lingo, please just tell people to "put it in a 2x2" or "put it in a flip".
     
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  18. lehmansterms

    lehmansterms Many view intelligence as a hideous deformity

    The "DIX" refers to Ft. Dix which I believe was (is?) in NJ.
    Liberia was founded by the US around the time of the Civil War primarily as a place for freed negroes, former slaves, to go "back to Africa", as if anywhere as long as it was on the continent of Africa would be good enough - close enough to "home". The virtue of a movement of the same name was a popular and "safe" opinion for a godly and deeply closeted racist Victorian American to hold. "Charity" funds were collected in many places to "help" the negroes "return" to Africa (regardless of how many generations their families had been in America). This was a popular sentiment in both South and North during reconstruction years and still pops up from place to place, usually as a scam to fleece those holding racist views, as "The Back to Africa Movement".
    Trivia point: Liberia is one of only three countries in the World which still use Imperial measurements rather than Metric, along with Myanmar (Burma) and the US.
     
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  21. lehmansterms

    lehmansterms Many view intelligence as a hideous deformity

    Thanks for the clarification - it clears up an old misconception. The Civil War and its tokens isn't really a major field of study for me - I do a lot more with ancients - but I well remember acquiring a Dix token as a kid in the early 60's. At the time, Ft. Dix was identified as the Dix to which the token referred, but evidently the relatives who "helped me" with it were not, themselves, too well informed.
     
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