Do you own this coin or considering purchasing? It's not genuine if you are considering purchasing the coin.
Google. Type in 1877 CC Trade dollar and do an image search. You can see pictures of a real one as well as multiple fakes from places like aliexpress.
I did that, lots of red flags mainly the position of the arrow head above the 2 in grain, but I thought I would ask those who know more than me since I am all but sure I have to have ebay step in
This is genuine. Granted it is an uncirculated piece. But note the details in the face and the flow of her gown. Look at the overall cartoonish look of your piece as compared to the real thing.
Am I right to note that all trade dollars in the year 1877 and 78 despite mint the arrow in the back should be over the 2 in grain not between the 2 and 0 as mine is?
This thing is FROM CHINA. It did not GO TO CHINA initially. It's a screaming counterfeit. It is what you might call "an unreasonable facsimile." The design resembles the real thing, but it’s reproduced in an amateurish style.
can you give me one or two detail that I can use. I called the secret service and they are not even sure they have a person in the office near me that checks coins,,, I may need to point out things to them.... thanks
I don't have an 1875-CC Trade Dollar, but here is an 1877-S that was made from the same design tools. Here is the counterfeit in the OP. Compare the artwork and the detiles (teeth around the rim) on the reverse. It does not match up. Many years ago, I had a friend who tried to use the Secret Service to go over a coin he thought was counterfeit. It took them many months. Maybe you will fare better.
Nope not from the same hubs. Your 77 S is from the type II hubs, the OP coin is from the type I hubs (actually it is a hybrid the rev is type i but the obv had type ii ribbon and type i hand.) I do not believe any mint used the type i rev in 1877.
it is not steel not magnetic and weighs within an ounce of correct. But too light for the condition another red flag, I agree it is type I on the reverse and no mint did that in 77. I will see if that is enough for ebay... that and the arrow is in the wrong place for a 77 on the reverse.
I was referring more to design features, like the folds in Ms. Liberty’s gown and the details on the Eagle. The artwork on the counterfeit is not the same and not executed with same level of expertise. That was my point. One of the ways to learn to spot counterfeits is to REALLY get the official design imprinted in your mind. Then, when you see a piece that is off in a subtle way, you can react to it. Many collectors don’t have that information in their minds. They concentrate too much only on the date, mint mark and general appearance. Counterfeit detector books spend a lot of time showing signs of specific counterfeits. That’s good because it gives you information about the general features to note that you might see on bad pieces. The trouble is no one can remember all of that stuff, and new counterfeits are appearing every day. A fundamental knowledge of what the real thing looks like is the key skill.