1575 Elizabeth I sixpence - tooled, or just nicely struck?

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An active auction listing, LM? Why do that? Bidding is already pretty high on the coin.

 

Ancient collectors have an unwritten rule about never posting a coin up for auction. Of course, since I’ve seen it written in their forums, I think it might be okay to just call it a rule...

 

And it's generally a very good rule too. Let's say I wanted to bid on that coin, now I may not want to do so because I see someone here is interested in it and I don't want to step on his toes. But then he doesn't end up bidding, and I lost out on the coin. But let's say I somehow remember the coin before the auction ends, and decide to bid because he didn't. But now because of the extra attention he called to that coin other people come in at the last second and outbid me...at least that's the way I would perceive it even if it really isn't the case. So it would end up creating needless animosity on the forum.

These things are better handled by private PM with other members, and not openly in the forum. And that's why that rule is important, regardless of whether it's an official or unofficial rule.

 

I don't know @Sallent ... seems you are tying yourself into a Gordian Knot with all of the if, when, who, what... why not just follow the guidelines of CoinTalk?

 

If you can't trust this auction house, who can you trust?

P.S. - I don't see any issues, but I'm not expert on tooling. But honestly, my statement above says it all

 

Far from expert, my opinion is that it is untooled... btw, What auction did you say it's in?

 

I'm not trying to give anyone a hard time here, just simply stating what the unwritten rule in this forum has always been, and the reason why I think it exists and it's a good idea.

 

Fair enough.. I don't participate in these larger auctions so I guess I don't deal with all of these permutations. If I saw a coin on eBay and posted it here and it got scooped that would be on me and it would not upset me.. free market and all..

 

Lord M:
That is an absolutely delightful coin. Who cares if it’s been tooled! (If it has been, I don’t see it either.)

 

I don't know if I would take the risk... you never know.

 

Sweet coin!

 

amazing coin.

 

Do you realize that you are hectoring a moderator about unwritten rules?

 

They're well aware and Rob is a humble enough man to not get upset about it either. No one has attacked him, just explained why this is frowned upon.

 

Yes, and you know why I did it? Because I believe @lordmarcovan is an honest and decent person based on all my interactions with him on this forum, and I am 100% confident that he will take my opinion the way it was meant...as an honest piece of advice from a fellow collector who has the same passion for this hobby as he does, and know that an honest difference of opinion is in no way a personal attack.

I wouldn't have expressed myself like that in any other forum I'm a member of, but that's because I don't have as much trust and confidence in my fellow members and moderators in those forums as I have here. Cointalk does not operate as an echo chamber or as a mini dictatorship. And that's the reason why I participate so much here, while I've barely cracked 1000 posts in most other forums I'm subscribed.

 

"This is my hobby, I do it for fun."

 

Probably not much better in MS

 

I have posted pictures of coins being sold at auction before the auction ended, usually to ask if they are authentic. If anyone ever over-bid me, more power to them.

 

The point is not just the effect on the person who breaks the unwritten rule but on the one who is sitting there sweating out the last minute bidding that will take the coin away. That is just part of the game. What we don't like is drawing attention to one specific lot. It is fine to say, 'CNG has some nice coins' but not 'Look at lot xxxx going cheap.' Similarly we don't need posts saying, 'That lot Kentucky is selling looks fake to me'. If we see a fake, it needs to be reported to the seller/auction house. That is why some of us support the rule over on Forvm:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=18946.0
My favorite line is,"If you disagree with this post, I suggest you read it again until you understand it." Coin Talk is more friendly and we don't have as many experts (real or imagined) but we still need to evaluate the effect of what we do when we yell 'Fake'.