Featured The Slabbed (NGC/PCGS) AT-QT (Artificial/Questionable Toning) Thread

MA toning....beautiful coin BTW! 1909's like that are rarer than the VDB.

 

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Don't know the series but looks non-MA to my eyes. If that's actually what it looks like, I'd run from it.

 

Summary of results:
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Coin 1 - Clad Dime (pg.1) - 2 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
Coin 2 - Franklin (pg. 1) - 3 (NT/MA) vs 7 (AT/QC)
Coin 3 - CBH (pg. 4) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 4 - Silv PR Ike (pg. 5) - 3 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
Coin 5 - Peace Dollar (pg. 7) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
Coin 6 - Ohio Silv PR 25c (pg. 8) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 11 (AT/QC)
Coin 7 - 1964 MS 25c (pg. 9) - 11 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 8 - 1974 Clad PR 25c (pg. 11) - 4 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
Coin 9 - 85-O Morgan (pg. 12) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC) *no points*
Coin 10 - 1890 IHC (pg. 13) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 3 (AT/QC)
Coin 11 - 1893 Col. Commem (pg. 14) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
Coin 12 - Silver 3c (pg. 15) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 13 - SBA (pg. 16) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
Coin 14 - Large Cent (pg. 16) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 15 - Franklin (pg. 17) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 14 (AT/QC)
Coin 16 - 1964 10c (pg. 18) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 10 (AT/QC)
Coin 17 - 1966 1c SMS 67*(pg. 19) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 18 - Silve 25c (pg. 19) - 10(NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 19 - Peace Dollar (pg. 20) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 10 (AT/QC)
Coin 20 - 1945 1c (pg. 21) - 14 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 21 - 1964 50c (pg. 22) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
Coin 22 - Peace $1 (pg. 23) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 3 (AT/QC)
Coin 23 - Franklin (pg. 24) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
Coin 24 - Jefferson 5c (pg. 24) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
Coin 25 - Peace $1 (pg. 25) - 8 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
Coin 26 - 1947 10c (pg. 26) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 4 (AT/QC)
Coin 27 - 1940 Walker (pg. 27) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
Coin 28 - 1970-S Cent (pg. 28) - 11 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 29 - Roanoke Commem (pg. 29) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
Coin 30 - Peace Dollar (pg. 30) - 2 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
Coin 31 - Peace Dollar (pg. 30) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC)
Coin 32 - Long Island Commem (pg. 31) - 8 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 33 - New Rochelle Commem (pg. 32) - 5 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 34 - 1964 Kennedy (pg. 32) - 0 (NT/MA) vs 7 (AT/QC)
Coin 35 - Proof Franklin (pg. 32) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 2 (AT/QC)
Coin 36 - Wheat Cent (pg. 34) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 6 (AT/QC)
Coin 37 - Wheat Cent (pg. 35) - 7 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 38 - Franklin (pg. 36) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 12 (AT/QC)
Coin 39 - Franklin (pg. 37) - 1 (NT/MA) vs 7 (AT/QC)
Coin 40 - Mercury (pg. 38) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 1 (AT/QC)
Coin 41 - Silver Washington 25c (pg. 39) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 42 - Clad Ike (pg. 39) - 10 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
Coin 43 - Silver Kennedy (pg. 39) - 3 (NT/MA) vs 5 (AT/QC)
Coin 44 - MPL Cent (pg. 40) - 6 (NT/MA) vs 0 (AT/QC)
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NT/MA: 28 total
AT/QC: 16 total

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Points:

ddddd - 12
Lehigh96 - 2
TheFinn - 1
BlackberryPie - 1

 

Floor is open...

 

Only PCGS and NGC? They both would bag this beauty!

 

NT, if you can really call it toning.

 

Technically yes, only PCGS and NGC.
Why do you say that one would be bagged? It looks ok to me.

 

I'd give yours and NT. PCGS gave the OK to mine.

 

Both Lincolns NT

 

NT/MA They usually just take a hit grade wise.

 

Natural, I don't consider it toning as we are really seeing copper streaks, and why wouldn't the other services slab it? I have seen countless improperly mixed alloy buffalo nickels in straight graded holders.

 

NT/MA Would love to own that cent.

 

Natural. Got wood?

 

Sorry for potential hijacking, but I have a 1955-S with almost identical look. The streaking is heaviest on the obverse and the reverse shows hardly anything. Makes me wonder if yours and mine were punched from the same strip of metal? They yellow is what really grabbed my eye.

 

All are marvelous and I have no doubt NT. If they’re not MA, I would take ‘em.

I don’t see a lot of discussion about how the precise alloy mix affects toning. Yet here we can see that identical conditions only a millimeter apart have different effects. Yes, I think there are copper streaks, but the zones of different alloy are also toned, and toned differently.

 

The green is FLUORESCENT green, it's really bright like a neon sign. Based on my personal experience with NGC and PCGS slabbed, business-strike Lincolns, I don't believe they would slab it because it doesn't meet their "look standards". If you can find a biz strike in a slab with that green toning, please post it. I'd like to see it.

 

Thank you for the answer!
I'm not really seeing neon green, but it's probably difficult to show in a photo (the Lincoln looks like a regular woodie to me).

 

And I've seen many others. This issue is also known for delamination along the surfaces and various working die issues. Quite obvious that San Fran had a problem with their planchets.

 

Perhaps you can see it better in this picture. Not the same coin but the color is identical. I found two of these in an OBW roll I cracked:

 

It's too bad PCGS nuked Coin Facts. I seem to recall seeing some.