pre 1501 AD coins with dates

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  1. tibor

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    1496-i35s.jpg
    The reference number should read I-355
     
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  3. HoledandCreative

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    Wonderful early dated coins, great collection! How many different do you have?
     
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  4. tibor

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    Thank you for the kind words. All of the pictures were created
    by Todd at blucc. I have around 220-230 different. I hope to
    have Todd image the last 40. The further back I go with this,
    I hope to show some of the more interesting pieces in my col-
    lection, at least to me. I started in 2001 at the Atlanta ANA. I
    haven't looked back since. I was lucky enough to win a few lots
    from David Cervin's collection when it was sold. I hope to upgrade
    some of my pieces as I go, not that they are dogs, just nicer
    will do. I usually won't bid on or buy a coin unless it has a readable
    date. The rest of the coin while important, the date is most
    important to me. When Todd images the coins, I have him
    put the dated side first. After all the collection is Early Dated
    coins. Thanks again for the kind words. I hope you ask more
    questions as I go along.
     
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  5. tibor

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    1495-i336a.jpg
    This piece has a medieval "5" looks like a modern "7"
    but with a notch or nub on the upper right of the "7".
     
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  6. tibor

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    1495-i334.jpg
    Another with medieval "5".
     
  7. tibor

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    1495-i325.jpg
    This piece has a modern "5". It's a little rough
    but the date is sharp and clear.
     
  8. tibor

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    1494-i320.jpg
    This one has the medieval "4".
     
  9. tibor

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    This one made from copper. Most of the ED copper pieces have a trace of silver.
    The mix of copper and a small trace of silver is called billon.
     
  10. tibor

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    Less than 15 different dates are known made from billon, a copper
    and small trace of silver mixture. I am not sure, but they are all from
    the Southern Netherlands. Most of them are rare and have not
    survived very well.
     
  11. tibor

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    @HoledandCreative I appreciate you following my posts. Do you
    collect early dated pieces?
     
  12. HoledandCreative

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    I do not collect them. I do enjoy looking and trying to learn. I have always had trouble with reading them. Never could get my mind to recognize their alphabet or numbers. For example, I can't find the date on your 1494 I-320. :cool:
     
  13. tibor

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    The date will be on the left image. Around 11:00
    look for a modern "9". To its right is the "4" in the shape of a bowtie or cancer
    awareness ribbon. I just refer to these as a medieval "4". Only the last two digits of the date were placed on the coin. The piece is about the size of a U.S. nickel. Thanks for asking. What area of numismatics do you collect?
     
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  14. HoledandCreative

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    Thanks for explaining that date. All I saw was "Pi"1199. Couldn't see enough of right side of "4". Got it now. I collect holed U.S. coins by date & mintmark from as early as possible to now. Many of the rare ones have been plugged over the years so they are not available with the hole still open. So, I settle for plugged when I locate one I want. You collect U.S. as well?
     
  15. tibor

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    I used to collect U.S. but haven't in over 20+ years. I have complete sets
    of Morgans -95 proof, Peace, Ike, Mercury, Lincoln, Jefferson, Roosie, Washington,
    Kennedy, Hungarian denars 1503-1675 and a few others. I update the current
    sets every 5 years. I have some 35-40 different VAM Morgan dollars. At my age,
    60+, I don't collect those anymore because most of them (95%) are miniscule
    and un-important, at least to me. Where do you find pieces for your collection?
    Thanks again for showing interest in my collection. Over the next few weeks I will be posting some interesting pieces. I hope you and the others who view them also find them interesting.
     
  16. HoledandCreative

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    I used to collect creatively destroyed coins, counterstamped, elongated, engraved, love tokens, and other things like that but they became so pricey that I no longer actively look. I still have several because I like them. My avatar is a 1796 Quarter. You have a nice collection that covers quite a bit of ground. I like the Hungarian. A date run is that long? I know I will enjoy your continued offerings.

    If I may ask, what would a coin dated 1234 cost in any condition? There can't be very many available for collecting. I imagine there is considerable competition for the older dated coins.
     
  17. Kentucky

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    Thanks, I thought I was going blind :)
     
  18. Kentucky

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    Here is an early thread about some of these...
    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/oldest-coin.186015/page-2
     
  19. tibor

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    Concerning the coin from 1234. There are seven known at this time,
    six in museums and one in the wild. The one in the wild was offered
    thru auction in 2008 with a reserve of 30,000+ Euros. The reserve was
    not met.
    Competition for some of the pre 1501 AD coins comes from a few types
    of collectors. There are collectors who collect by the issuing city or
    region. There are collectors that collect by date trying to find one of each
    year. And then there are collectors like me who focus on getting as many
    different coins that are listed in Bob Levinson's book. A great deal of the
    coins listed in Bob's book are extremely rare, less than six known. These
    are located in museum collections or extremely well advanced collections
    like Bob's. I hope this helps. If you have any other questions please ask.
     
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  20. HoledandCreative

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    I read the link about the 1234. I hope you, tibor, were able to pick it up for your collection.
     
  21. tibor

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    :DI was not able to add that piece to my collection. Finances at the
    time prevented the addition to my collection. Maybe one day if the
    moon, planets, and stars all lineup.
     
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