[Poll-1] #15 Jay GT4 vs #18 Milesofwho (Round 1) CIT 2018

Welcome to Round 1 of CIT 2018! If you are unaware of the tournament I invite you to get caught up with all the fun on the following link:

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/an...annual-coin-imperator-tournament-2018.320328/



I want to give a special thank you to the participants for volunteering to play the game. We have a great group of people here at CT.

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#15 @Jay GT4


Laureate bust right, wearing aegis
ETOYΣ NEOY IEPOY H (date; year 8)
Eagle standing right on thunderbolt, with wings spread; palm frond to right.
SYRIA, Seleucis and Pieria. Antioch, 88/89 AD
13.61g; 29 mm
McAlee 398; Prieur 145; RPC II 1978.
Ex-Zurqieh
Wonderful style with fine detailed Aegis/Gorgon head with snakes!

Price: $300

Why It’s Cool:
An Aegis is said to have been the skin of either the goat, Amalthea or a monster that Minerva fought and slew. After defeating her enemy she is said to have placed the skin over her breast as a reminder of her bravery and as protection from danger. Eventually the snake-haired head of Medusa was added on top of the skin. Many Roman Emperor’s are shown wearing the Aegis over their cuirass as a protection from evil.

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#18 @Milesofwho


AE 10 cash, 35 mm, 11.43 g, 1102-1106,
Huizong (as reign title Chong Ning)
Obv. Four-character inscription read clockwise. Square hole in center.
Inscription: Chong Ning Tong Bao (Chong Ning Circulating Currency)
Rev. Blank

Price: $15.50

Why It’s Cool:
The reign of Huizong was one of artistic achievement but extreme neglect of the government. Huizong was a cultured individual, but the lack of an efficient military allowed both him, his son, and the capital of Kaifeng to be captured by Jin invaders. As the Jin were closing in, he abdicated and gave the throne to his son. After his capture, the Jin gave him the honorary title of “Besotted Duke”. He died after nine years in captivity. The capture of the capital was a key moment in Chinese history, causing another son of Huizong to move to the city of Hangzhou, where he founded the Southern Song Dynasty. It would last until the Mongols conquered them in 1279. Huizong was known as a great artist and poet, even making his own calligraphic script referred to as “Slender Gold script”. On my coin is an example of that script. It is a very intricate script, especially when compared to its normal counterpart.


An example of Huizong’s artwork (Wikipedia)

This type of coin was unpopular with merchants, because the coin only weighed three cash, but was ordered to circulate at a value of ten. Eventually the government gave up trying to enforce its value and made it worth three cash in 1111.

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Remember that everyone gets 3 votes to choose which coin you think comes out on top in each of the three categories. With that I will open the floor to comments, pile-ons and shameless lobbying.

Now lets have fun!

 

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I like both
Looking forward to seeing how this bracket pans out!

 

Both are nice coins. Too bad there can't be a tie.

 

A very interesting match!

 

Hard to compare apples and oranges....

 

Good point.

 

It’s nice to see some Chinese coins getting some representation

 

I really like both of these coins. Even though I love the distinctive script on the 10 Cash I think the fine style tet is especially nice... it got my vote for eye appeal. The Huizong was a great bargain. Both are historically and numismatically interesting for different reasons.

I love that the tet is dated and that gorgon head is awesome... Huizong was a fascinating Chinese emperor... decisions decisions...

A few relevant pieces.

Roman Empire
Domitian AR Denarius (AD 81-96), Rome Mint, Struck AD 90
Obv.: IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM PM TRP VIIII; Domitian bust right
Rev.: IMP XXI COS XV CENS P P P, Minerva stand left holding spear
Wt.: 3.15 g
Dia.: 19 mm
Ref. RIC II 150


Ancient China, Song Dynasty
Emperor Song Huizong (AD 1100 - 1125)
AE 2 Cash
Dia.: 31 mm
Wt.: 8.35 g
Obv.: Xuan He tong bao.
Rev.: Blank
Ref.: Hartill 16.476
Ex Ken Dorney

 

Tough one, as we are voting across two completely different cultures.

Although the Domitian is a great example, that Huizong is a great coin also! I feel that folks might prejudice their thoughts to their known culture.


I like Horses:

China, Song Dyn 10th - 12th C CE AE Gaming Token 29mm 6.4g Obv Zhui Feng Zhi Ma horse following wind Rev Horse galloping

And here is the RARE FLIPPED Domitian (he is sinister...):

RI Domitian AR Denarius 81-96 CE Minerva FLIPPED-JOKE

 

It's a tough one for sure! I can tell you I didn't use all 3 votes for myself!

 

Same here.

 

I have to confess my lack of culture in the chinese field, so it's interesting to have one thrown in here.
I can show a relevant bronze of Domitian with Aegis :



Q

 

I wanted to open the tournament with this one because I thought it was such an interesting head-to-head. I have changed my vote twice already for the interest category!

 

Man, we're off to a great start!

This is tough, both coins are boss!

Erin

 

What a great start!

Interesting to see a Chinese coin in the first round. With @TypeCoin971793, @Milesofwho and me all participating in the tournament this year, I guess we might see a little more Chinese coins here than last year. That being said, @Jay GT4’s Domitian is absolutely beautiful

 

Another great matchup, I had to split my votes that Huizong has beautiful surfaces and has great historical significance, but for eye appeal Jay's Tet is magnificent.

 

What a matchup! Jay has fielded a terrific coin, and kudos to Miles for representing Chinese ancients with that great writeup and beautiful example. I don't collect Chinese coins even passingly, but I confess my votes are split!

 

Excellent match-up, I voted for the Domitian coin but the Chinese coin is great, too! Hard to decide folks.

 

SCORE UPDATE
#15 @Jay GT4 - 62
#18 @Milesofwho - 68

It's going to be too close to call until the finish line!

 

Now 64 to 69...

Maybe I should change my vote Just kidding!

Exciting stuff! I really like the match up.