Help with British? coin identification

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  1. Mark Metzger

    Mark Metzger Well-Known Member

    This is in a lot I am considering purchasing online and I can’t seem to attribute it.
    Looks British, 1600s-ish.
    Thanks,
    Mark
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  3. Milesofwho

    Milesofwho Omnivorous collector

    Milesofwho, Jun 3, 2018
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  4. Bert Gedin

    Bert Gedin Well-Known Member

    With the info given to us, it isn't British after all (or even British Empire) but Spanish Netherlands, allegedly 1612-1619. Mark is considering buying it.
     
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  5. Mark Metzger

    Mark Metzger Well-Known Member

    It's part of a large lot on the bay which will undoubtedly exceed my bidding capabilities but a guy can certainly try! Thanks for the ID.
     
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  6. Milesofwho

    Milesofwho Omnivorous collector

    Welcome! I like indentifying stuff. At first I thought it was from the Austrian Netherlands, but then I realized its coins didn’t go back that far, so that only left the Spanish Netherlands. When Albert showed up in the results, that sealed it.
     
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  7. beef1020

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  8. Milesofwho

    Milesofwho Omnivorous collector

    I was referring to this area. 43673674-302A-4ED7-8247-F408FE09960B.jpeg AAF573D2-5748-4A8A-B914-BD7BB6E574BB.jpeg
     
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  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    The shadow in the photo indeed looks like an elliptical planchet clip, but "clip" has more than one numismatic definition. In the context @Milesofwho intended , "clipping" refers to the practice of people shaving metal off the edges of precious-metal coins, to save a bit of the silver or gold for illegal gain. It's a practice that sent many a coin clipper to the gallows (or worse) back in the day.

    The replacement of the old thin hammered silver coins with milled coins bearing reeded or lettered edges was largely done as a deterrent against this practice. In fact, some early British milled coins bore the Latin inscription DECVS ET TVTAMEN ("an ornament and a safeguard") on their edges, indicating the lettered edge was put on there not just to look nice, but also to make it obvious when someone had clipped a coin.
     
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  10. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    BTW, the crossed batons (scepters?) motif reminded me immediately of this (much later) 1797 kronenthaler from the Austrian Netherlands, which I had on my old Holey Coin Vest.

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  11. Mark Metzger

    Mark Metzger Well-Known Member

    So here's a remarkable painting I came across while looking into the history of Albert and Isabella. It's called Albert and Isabella visit a Collector's Closet (my how appropriate).
    Enjoy!
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  12. Milesofwho

    Milesofwho Omnivorous collector

    It’s called a cross of Brabrant, and it was my first thought as well. I at least knew it was Netherlandish.
    I found the same image. Pretty neat to see how much detail there was.
     
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  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Ditto. I knew it was from the Low Countries, but didn't know that was called a Brabant cross. Makes sense.
     
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    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

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  15. Milesofwho

    Milesofwho Omnivorous collector

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  16. Bert Gedin

    Bert Gedin Well-Known Member

    Numatists were funny people, in those days !!!
     
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  17. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I can see Philip (II?) of Spain on some of those (big!) gold pieces, too, I think. So much gold on that table. She was a wealthy lady, or at least she painted herself that way!

    Well-endowed in so many things ...
     
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  18. Bert Gedin

    Bert Gedin Well-Known Member

    The Money Changer, and his Wife, are handling coins, in 1514, that some of us may be handling today !!!
     
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  20. Bert Gedin

    Bert Gedin Well-Known Member

    It is a great painting. And the way those coins are shown, it's as if some of them could come alive and roll off the table ! Quentyn Metsys, the painter, may well have had a, more than usual, interest in Numismatics !!!
     
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  21. PlanoSteve

    PlanoSteve Well-Known Member

    You can be sure @panzerman has some of those! (probably the ones actually in the painting!!! :D)
     
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