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Discussion in 'Frequently Asked Questions' started by COIN STASHER, Apr 1, 2005.

  1. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter


    Sorry GDJMSP, I wasn't clear in my statement. In 2004 the mint came out with a westward journey set that included two proof nickels from that year, a sacajawea dollar (also proof), and a silver plated peace medal. The following year they came out with the same set dated 2005. In the 2008 red book I only find the 2005 listed. 2004 seems to have been omited.
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Well the coins weren't just issued in Proof. All of the circulation strikes for those years, including 2004, were of the same design for each year.

    But to answer your question, they did issue the 2004 set. If the Red Book doesn't have it - it's just anothe rmistake in the Red Book. There are plenty of them - mistakes that is.
     
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  4. combatsquirrel

    combatsquirrel Junior Member

    Has anyone seen a 2004P mint Monticello back nickel? I've been going through some circulated nickels, and came across one.
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Post a picture of it please.
     
  6. combatsquirrel

    combatsquirrel Junior Member

    Boy do I wish I could! Made a dumb error. I sorted through $100.00 of nickels today, and I was sorting date stacks into mintmarks and reverses when I found the "2004" Monticello reverse. Naturally, I got excited, and tried to find a reference. Then I turned it over! It was a 1994p.... Boy! For a little while I was excited. Then disappointed.

    Now just embarrassed! OOPS!
     
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  7. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Happens to the best of us 'squirrel......:smile
     
  8. Petercoin

    Petercoin Active Member

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  9. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

  10. John Skelton

    John Skelton Morgan man!

    Now I have to ask: if I have a coin in a flip that I bought at price x and I send it off to be graded, then later can I sell it for x + the price I paid to have it graded? I want to recover my grading cost plus at least some of what I paid for it.
     
  11. Dave M

    Dave M Francophiliac

    You can try to sell it for that, and hopefully someone will pay you that. If you are successful (or better), then having it graded was worth your while. If you are not successful, then of course the grading wasn't worth it. Of course you could also wonder why the guy that sold it to you didn't have it graded, or whether you are better at grading than him and therefore getting "proof" of its condition in a holder is a great thing, etc, etc.

    But just putting any old coin in a holder and charging the extra grading cost - no.
     
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  12. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor

    Ahh, that's the rub. Sometimes no, sometimes maybe , and sometimes yes. For a person with good grading skills, experience with price history of said coin, eye for defects or problems, usually can. Since graded coins that are varieties or error, usually have to pay additional fees for verification the risk is increased. The number of people who displayed new acquisitions in the last week and professed that they were going to get it graded, but will lose in my opinion was about 95%. It takes TIME and experience to develop such skills even if just in a small area of expertise, and it can't be by watching Youtubies.
    Many people here think they know after a month or so on the forum, but it has taken me over 50 years to be able to go to a large coin show and feel confident when buying coins, but I also know my weaknesses, such as Barbers ( which I do notcare for) and ancients, so Know yourself! Jim
     
  13. John Skelton

    John Skelton Morgan man!

    But a lot of the coins I see in coin shops are in 2x2s and usually not graded in the first place. So if I want to get it graded, it's going to cost me, maybe even more than what I paid for it. I'm okay with that as long as it's a coin I want for some time. But I would think when the time comes to sell it if it does, then you're saying I won't be able to recover what I put into it?
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Probably not.

    The money paid to have a coin graded does not increase the value of a coin. The money you pay you join the TPG, and the money you pay to have a coin graded, all that does is increase or raise the cost you paid for the coin. And just because a coin is in a slab doesn't make worth any more than it is worth out of the slab.

    There are many coins where somebody paid $20-$40 to have it slabbed, and then turned around sold the slabbed coin for $10. Because that's all it is really worth.

    The value of any coin is based on the coin itself, and ONLY the coin itself. It doesn't have anything to do with the plastic wrapped around it. The only thing the plastic slab does for you is it makes it easier to sell the coin because there are so many people out there who know nothing about coins - but they trust the slab so they'll buy them. Which of course is a huge mistake to begin with !
     
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  15. John Skelton

    John Skelton Morgan man!

    So there doesn't seem to be any incentive to have a coin graded. Unless it's for the satisfaction of knowing just how it graded. And that means if I see a coin in a 2x2 with a grade on it I should trust that? Or maybe you mean I need to learn more about grading to determine the worth of a coin myself.
     
  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No there is. As I said before it provides liquidity, it makes the coin easier to sell.

    No you shouldn't. Exception would be if you trust the person who put that grade there on the 2x2. You see trust is the issue. People in general don't trust the opinions of individuals when it comes to grading. But they do trust the opinions of the TPGs. Sadly, in this day and age, that trust is misplaced.

    The reason that trust is the issue is because the vast majority of people don't know how to grade - they don't trust their own abilities.

    Precisely ! But it's not easy to do that. But then it is never easy to learn how to do anything correctly when you have to know so much to able to do so.
     
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  17. John Skelton

    John Skelton Morgan man!

    So how do I go about learning about grading a coin myself? I think ANA has a coin grading class, and I've seen their descriptions of how they determine grades. Does any of that help? I thought I could go to a coin show, see how the TPGs grade coins, and learn from that, but you say not to trust them? Why not? If no one can trust what the TPG puts on it, then once again, why bother?
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    ANA classes would be great, best if you can take them in person of course but you can also take their correspondence courses. But I'd start with books if I were you. These 3 in particular -

    https://www.amazon.com/Official-Sta...ana+grading+standards+for+united+states+coins

    https://www.amazon.com/Official-Gui...ywords=coin+grading+and+counterfeit+detection

    http://www.coingrading.com/

    The 3rd one is free, available right there on the website. Or you can buy a copy.

    Get all 3, read, learn, study - everything they say. Spend as much time as you can reading right here on the forum, keeping in mind that not everything everyone says is valid or true. You'll learn soon enough who listen to, and who not.

    That's just the beginning, it gets you started. You'll have to look at tens of thousands of coins, in hand - just to learn how to grade that 1 coin. You'll get out of it what you put into it. I've been studying, learning, and writing about coins since 1960 - and guess what, I'm still learning.
     
  19. John Skelton

    John Skelton Morgan man!

    I'll check them out. Thanks.
     
  20. Casman

    Casman Well-Known Member

    Value is also based on what a person is willing to pay, and this invariably depends on the plastic if you consider the registry game & players. I had a buyer willing to pay 5K for a coin I had bought for $60. But, it had to be in a PCGS holder. It made the grade, but not the designation.

    Another example, I'd found an NGC graded coin, kicked it around with my boys, and they all said nobody wanted it. When it hit $100 free shipping I couldn't resist. Once entombed in different plastic, it sold for north of $800. So yes, on occassion, plastic matters.
     
  21. Casman

    Casman Well-Known Member

    Learning how to grade is of course essential and should be the first step before purchasing.
     
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