Plate me some of the good stuff...

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Quant.Geek, Feb 20, 2018.

  1. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    Plate coins are sometimes fun to collect, even though, you can sometimes find the same coin in a better condition for far less. That pedigree comes at a cost, but it is really cool to hold the same coin that passed through a timeless numismatic guru.

    @TIF and few other members have already shown their Dattari coins. So, I figured I'll post my recent acquisitions that are plate coins from Hendin. They are both similar coins, but with slight variations between them. Again, I got to blame @Deacon Ray, for his bad influence :p

    Ancient Judaea, Procuratorial: Valerius Gratus (15-26 CE) Æ Prutah, Jerusalem, RY 2 of Tiberius (Hendin 1333a; TJC 317; RPC 4959)

    Obv: IOY/ΛIA in two lines within wreath
    Rev: Upright palm branch; across field, L B

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    Ancient Judaea, Procuratorial: Valerius Gratus (15-26 CE) Æ Prutah, Jerusalem, RY 2 of Tiberius (Hendin 1333b; TJC 317; RPC 4959)

    Obv: IOY/ΛIA blundered in two lines within wreath
    Rev: Upright palm branch; across field, L B

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    So, go ahead and post your plate coins!
     
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  3. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Nice job @Quant.Geek on your plate coins! It is a fun feeling to have a featured coin...

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    Campania
    AE
    Apollo-Achelous
    275-250BCE
    SNG ANS 474
    Ex: A random shooting in an auction...
    @Nicholas Molinari 15-June-2016 stated: "Your ... coin is a plate coin in Potamikon, number 343 in our catalog so Sambon 663; Taliercio IIIa.16; MSP I, 343, featuring Acheloios Sebethos as a man-faced bull. Taliercio cited three examples of this type, so yours is the fourth known of that particular variety."

    And, HEY! Dopey 'ole me! Since you mention Dattari - I forgot that I have a DATTARI coin! LOL, @TIF will be proud...
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    RI Alexandria Livia, wife of Augustus Diobol CE 1-2 Æ 23.5mm 7.46g. Rev. Athena holding Nike Sheild ex Dattari-Savio Pl. 3 60-this coin RPC pag. 692-5-this coin RARE
    (EVERY time I read or hear the Dattari name, I keep thinking of the DAKTARI Television series from the '60's:
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  4. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Artist & Historian Supporter

    Those are gorgeous Judaeans, @Quant.Geek ! The coins from the period of Valerius Gratus are among my favorites. I have some slabbed and some not.

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    Also

    Gratus was a character from Ben-Hur who got beaned with a roofing tile. He was the Roman Governor who sent Ben to the slave galleys and Ben's mother and sister to prison.

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  5. Mike Margolis

    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

    Beautiful Judaean plate coins from Hendin @Quant.Geek !
    Not sure if a WildWinds entry qualifies as a plate coin? Here is my only one that I got very lucky with on WW: coinboughtlyciacadueces.jpg
    From Wildwinds.com:
    Balbura, Lycia, AE 11.1mm 1.44g. 200-1 BC.
    Obv: Caduceus
    Rev: BAL-BOY, club within oak wreath.
    SNG Cop 52; Imhoof GRM 2; SNG von Aulock 4280; Paris M5838.
    Contributed by Michael Margolis, Oct. 2017.
     
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  6. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Very nice!!

    And @Alegandron ... I'm a bit jealous of that Livia :grumpy: :D

    Happy to oblige :D

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    SICILY, Selinos
    c. 410 BCE
    AR litra, 11mm, 0.76 g, 1h
    Obv: nymph seated left on rock, right hand raised above her head, extending her left hand to touch coiled serpent before her; selinon leaf above
    Rev: man-faced bull standing right; ΣEΛINONTIOΣ above; in exergue, fish right
    Ref: Potamikon, p. 116 figure 152 (this coin) HGC 2, 1229; SNG ANS 711–2 var. (ethnic); SNG Ashmolean 1904–5; SNG Lloyd 1270 var. (same); Basel –; Dewing –; Rizzo pl. XXXIII, 6. Rare.
    ex MoneyMuseum, Zurich
    ex Leu 79 (31 October 2000), lot 404
    ex Athos Moretti collection, #482, unpublished manuscript


    Here's one I haven't shown before. I was behind in posting before the hurricanes, and of course since September life has been crazy. Anyway, this rare little provincial came from @John Anthony. I picked up a handful of very interesting provincials in that auction!
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    PAMPHYLIA, Perga. Elagabalus
    Æ26, 9.5 gm, 12h
    Obv: AV K M AV ANTΩNI[NOC CEB]; Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, c/m eagle, head left
    Rev: [Π]ЄPΓAIWN; Artemis standing right, left arm outstretched, right arm holding arrow
    Ref: Lindgren 1113 (this coin)

    And then there's the Dattari parade :D.

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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Nero
    Regnal year 14 (CE 67/8)
    AE diobol; 27 mm, 10.9 gm
    Obv: NEPΩKΛAVK[AIΣΣEBΓEPA]; laureate head right
    Rev: L - IΔ; "vase" (Emmett), or "oinochoe" per others (others are probably correct)
    Ref: Dattari-Savio Pl. 1, 2 (this coin); Dattari cf 286; RPC 5322; Emmett 153.14; Poole (BM, 1892) cf 188?; Milne -; none in a few other minor references I own. Rare.
    ex Dattari collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1858-1923)

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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Tiberius
    Year 5, CE 18/9
    AE obol, 20 mm, 4.45 gm
    Obv: bare head right
    Rev: hippopotamus right; TIBEPIoY above; [L] E in exergue
    Ref: Emmett 62.5, R1; Geissen 47; Dattari-Savio 102 (this coin); RPC 5082
    ex Dattari collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1858-1923)

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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Hadrian
    billon tetradrachm, 22.5 mm, 12.9 gm
    regnal year 5 (CE 120/1)
    Obv: laureate head right, crescent in right field
    Rev: Agathodaemon serpent standing erect right; L-E
    Ref: Dattari-Savio plate 71, 1532 (this coin); RPC 5270; Emmett 803.5
    ex Dattari Collection


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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Marcus Aurelius
    year 12, CE 171/2
    AE diobol, 22 mm, 7.53 gm
    Obv: [MAV]PHΛIOC ANTω[ΝΙΝΟCCE]; laureate bust right
    Rev: Uraeus serpent erect left, wearing headdress; "holding" sistrum and grain ear; LI - B across upper fields
    Ref: Dattari 3605 and Pl. XXXII, 3605 (this coin). Dattari-Savio Pl. 193, 3605 (this coin); Geissen --; Emmett 2260.12, R5
    ex Dattari collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1858-1923)

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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Domitian
    RY 14 (CE 94/5)
    Æ drachm, 36 mm, 25.42 gm
    Obv: Laureate head right
    Rev: The Emperor driving biga of centaurs right., raising hand and holding scepter and reins; in exergue, L IΔ
    Ref: Dattari-Savio Pl. 17, 453 (this coin); Geissen 406 (this coin cited); RPC 2704 (this coin cited)
    ex Dattari collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1858-1923)


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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Antoninus Pius
    year 19, CE 155/6
    AE obol, 18.5 mm, 4.26 gm
    Obv: ANTωNINOCCEBEVCCV* [see note]; laureate head right
    Rev: Horus falcon standing right**, wearing skhent; LI - [Θ]***
    Ref: Dattari-Savio Pl. 165, 3134 (this coin); Geissen --; Emmett 1774.19, R5
    ex Dattari collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1858-1923)

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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Domitian
    year 9,
    AE diobol; 25 mm, 9.1 gm
    Obv: AVTKAIΣAPΔOMITIANOΣΣEBΓEPM; laureate bust right
    Rev: bust of Isis right; ETOVΣ ENATOV
    Ref: Emmett 296.9, Geissen 329; Dattari-Savio Pl 19, 6747 (this coin)
    ex Dattari collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1858-1923)

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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Maximian
    potin tetradrachm, regnal year 1 (CE 285/6)
    Obv: laureate bust right
    Rev: Alexandria standing left, holding the head of Serapis and a sceptre; L-A
    Ref: Dattari-Savio Pl. 285, 10657 (this coin); Emmett 4093.1
    ex Dattari collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1858-1923)


    Here are a group of lower grade Dattari plate coins from that huge group lot @zumbly and I bought together and divided (https://www.cointalk.com/threads/co-dependent-collecting.296758/)
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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Antoninus Pius
    AE drachm, uncertain regnal year
    Obv: laureate bust right
    Rev: Bust of Zeus Ammon right; L I (date uncertain)
    Ref: Dattari-Savio pl. 153 #8807 (this coin); Emmett 1700.10, R5 (but I'm skeptical of this date)
    Ex Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman-Egyptian Coinage, previously held by the Art Institute of Chicago
    Ex Dattari Collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1853-1923)


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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Antoninus Pius
    AE drachm, regnal year 18 (CE 154/5)
    Obv: laureate bust right
    Rev: Serapis enthroned left; Cerberus at feet
    Ref: Dattari-Savio supplement, plate 18 #123 (this coin); Emmett 1663.18, R1
    Ex Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman-Egyptian Coinage, previously held by the Art Institute of Chicago
    Ex Dattari Collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1853-1923)


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    EGYPT, Alexandria. Antoninus Pius
    AE drachm, regnal year 5 (CE 141/2)
    Obv: laureate bust right
    Rev: Tyche standing left in distyle temple, holding cornucopia and rudder; L-E
    Ref: Dattari-Savio pl. 161 #8509 (this coin); Emmett 1688.5, R5
    Ex Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman-Egyptian Coinage, previously held by the Art Institute of Chicago
    Ex Dattari Collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1853-1923)



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    EGYPT, Heliopolite nome. Antoninus Pius
    AE drachm, regnal year 8 (CE 144/5)
    Obv: laureate bust right
    Rev: HΛIOΠOΛEIT; Helios in radiate crown standing left, wearing chiton and himation, holding Mnevis bull in right hand and sceptre in left
    Ref: Dattari-Savio pl. 299 #10935 (this coin); Emmett 1820.8, R4
    Ex Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman-Egyptian Coinage, previously held by the Art Institute of Chicago
    Ex Dattari Collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1853-1923)


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    EGYPT, Heliopolite nome. Antoninus Pius
    AE drachm, regnal year 8 (CE 144/5)
    Obv: laureate bust right
    Rev: HΛIOΠOΛEIT; Helios in radiate crown standing left, wearing chiton and himation, holding Mnevis bull in right hand and sceptre in left
    Ref: Dattari-Savio pl. 299 #10938 (this coin); Emmett 1820.8, R4
    Ex Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman-Egyptian Coinage, previously held by the Art Institute of Chicago
    Ex Dattari Collection (Giovanni Dattari, 1853-1923)


    I might have forgotten some Dattari plate coins... it's getting late here and I'm pooping out.

    ...

    I do have an Emmett plate coin that I haven't yet shown. Emmett's book has few coins illustrated and my new favorite Alexandrian coin is featured twice!

    When I have some time I'll do a nice writeup, plus I'm waiting on a companion coin to arrive which will fit with the writeup theme :)
     
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  7. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

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    Annia Faustina, AD 221
    Roman provincial AE 25.0 mm, 8.55 gm
    Pisidia, Isinda, AD 221
    Obv: ANNIAN FAVCTEINAN, bare-headed and draped bust right
    Rev: [ΙΣ] ΙΝ ΔΕΩΝ, Confronted heads of Serapis and Isis, in field, E-Delta (yr. 4 ).
    Refs: Ex Lindgren I A1322A, ex von Aulock, Pisidia I 833.

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  8. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    Here a small coin plated in a Sylloge Nummorum Graecorum:

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    Cilicia, uncertain, 400-330 BC?, 0.24g, 8mm
    Obv: Laureate and bearded head of Herakles facing slightly right, lion-skin around neck; club behind
    Rev: Lion’s head facing slightly left, arrow in its jaws
    SNG Levante 205 (this coin)

    It's tiny! It was part of David P. Herman Collection's of "Facing Heads on Greek Coins".
     
  9. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    Beautifull plate coins! Thanks for sharing....

    I have some too/ here is a Kushano-Sasanian plate example. This is ex: Triton XX Adams collection.
    AV Dinar ND Peshawar Mint
    Ardshir I/ Peroz I 255-310AD
    Sasanian Princes/ Kushano-Sasanian Empire
    ANS Coinage of the Kushan/ related Empires
    I would post more, but my fav. show is coming on , Knightfall....about the Templars/ Philip IV:happy: f2ab47977019309b59f10c3e4b538533.jpg
     
  10. Mike Margolis

    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

    I am pretty sure I had that book as a teenager (late 60s)which I procured from Alex G.Malloy's booth at the White Plains coin show. He had or maybe still has an incredible collection of facing Heads. I had a little one, a hemidrachm from Rhodes with the Rose on the back. I let the book go along with my coins when I was in my twenties. I guess that is a common story here on CT. Collected as a youth and then returned as an elder gent. Cool coin btw Ed. As soon as I purchase a digital scanner for slides/negatives I will be able to post some of my original coins. I remember every one of them.
     
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  11. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I don't go out of my way to collect them, but they're nice to have and I seem to have picked up more than I realized.

    This one's from SNG Levante.
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    CILICIA, Tarsos
    Tarkumuwa (Datames), Satrap of Cilicia and Cappadocia.
    AR Stater. 10.7g, 24.5mm. CILICIA, Tarsos, circa 375 BC. SNG Levante 85 (this coin); Casabonne Type 2; Moysey Issue 6; SNG France 282 = de Luynes 2839 = Traité II 609. O: Baaltars seated right, torso facing, holding grain ear, grape-bunch, and eagle-tipped scepter; lotus below throne; all within crenelated wall. R: Satrap, wearing Persian dress, seated right, holding arrow; winged solar disk to upper right, bow to lower right; c/m: bull standing right within incuse square.
    Ex CNG 100 (7 October 2015), lot 1553; Ex CNG 96 (14 May 2014), lot 516; Ex Eduardo Levante Collection (CNG 64, 24 September 2003), lot 337.

    A Lindgren plate coin bought from @John Anthony.
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    SYRIA, Laodicea ad Mare
    AE17. Very Rare. 3.0g, 16.6mm. SYRIA, Laodicea ad Mare, circa 1st century AD. Lindgren 2070 (this coin). O: ‬IOYΛIЄωN TωN KAI ΛAOΔIKЄωN, Bust of Dionysos right, thyrsos before. R: Artemis (?) standing left, holding staff and branch; monogram to right.
    Ex Henry Clay Lindgren Collection

    Illustrated in Hristova and Jekov's The local coinage of the Roman empire - Moesia Inferior, I - III A.D, MARCIANOPOLIS.
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    COMMODUS
    AE25. 7.69g, 25mm, MOESIA INFERIOR, Marcianopolis. H&J 6.10.26.4 (this coin illustrated); RPC IV online 4319; AMNG I 540; Varbanov 702 corr. (direction of heads). O: ΑΥ ΚΑΙ Λ ΑΥΡΗ ΚΟΜΟΔΟС, Bareheaded, draped, and cuirassed bust right. R: ΜΑΡΚΙΑΝΟΠΟΛƐΙΤΩΝ, the Three Graces standing facing, heads left, right, and right, respectively: the left holds oinochoe over dolphin, the center drapes arms over others, and the right holds wreath over oinochoe.
    Ex Dr. George Spradling Collection; Ex Alexandre de Barros Collection (CNG E143, 12 July 2006, lot 115); ex CNG 47 (16 Sep 1998) lot 833.

    Used to illustrate this Legionary type in David Sear's Roman Coins and their Values.
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    MARK ANTONY
    AR Denarius. 3.61g, 17.8mm. Patrae (?) mint, autumn 32 - spring 31 BC. Sear RCV Vol. 1 p. 284, 1483 (this coin illustrated); Crawford 544/8. O: ANT AVG above Praetorian galley right, III VIR R P C below. R: CHORTIVM PRAETORIARVM, Legionary eagle (Aquila) between two standards (signa).
    Ex Stack's Sale December 2001, Lot #142; Ex Ponterio & Associates Sale 108 August 2000, Lot #307; Ex Gerhard Hirsch Auction 179, September 1993, Lot #770

    Roman Provincial Coinage Volume II
    plate coin, but apparently shown on the plate with the wrong reference number!
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    DOMITIAN
    AE22. Extremely Rare. 7.85g, 22mm. CORINTHIA, Corinth, circa AD 81-96. BCD Corinth 533 (this coin). RPC 128, 1 (this coin, erroneously shown as 127 on Plate 6). O: IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GER, laureate head right. R: COL IVL AVG COR, Chimera advancing right.
    Ex BCD Collection (Lanz sale 105, 2001, lot 533)

    Plate coin in Ravel's Descriptive Catalogue of the Collection of Tarentine Coins formed by M.P. Vlasto. Also illustrated in Fischer-Bossert's catalogue and die study, Chronologie der Didrachmenprägung von Tarent.
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    CALABRIA, Tarentum
    AR Nomos. 7.97g, 21.4mm. CALABRIA, Tarentum, circa 400-390 BC. Fischer-Bossert Group 26, 361a (V164/R283) = Vlasto 339 (this coin, illustrated in both); HN Italy 850. O: Naked ephebos on horse galloping right; small Λ below. R: Phalanthos, holding torch, riding dolphin left; TAPAΣ below.
    Ex William N. Rudman Collection (Triton V, 15 January 2002), lot 1043; CNG Auction 53 (15 March 2000), lot 31; Ex Vlasto Collection, 339 (Michel Pandely Vlasto, 1874-1936)


    Another one from the Fischer-Bossert book.
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    AR Nomos. 7.50g, 20.2mm. CALABRIA, Tarentum, circa 325-281 BC. Fischer-Bossert 870c (this coin); Vlasto 607; SNG Copenhagen 849; SNG France 1800 (same obverse die). O: Nude rider on horse galloping to right, stabbing with spear held in his right hand and holding two other spears and shield with his left; below, ΣΑ. R: TAPAΣ, Phalanthos riding dolphin to left, holding kantharos in his right hand and trident in his left; below, little dolphin leaping left; K in left field.
    Ex Schweizerischer Bankverein 29 (28 January 1992), lot 12

    I currently have 14 Dattari-Savio plate coins, but this is the one picked up most recently.
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    MARCUS AURELIUS, as Caesar
    Billon Tetradrachm. 12.86g, 24.5mm. EGYPT, Alexandria, RY 13 of Antoninus Pius (AD 149/150). Dattari (Savio) 3185 (this coin); Emmett 1868.13 (R4); Staffieri, Alexandria In Nummis 169 (this coin); RPC Online temp #14367 (4 examples). O: M AVPHΛIC • KAICAP, bareheaded and draped bust right. R: Zeus (‘Jupiter Capitolinus’) enthroned left, holding phiale in his extended right hand and scepter with his left; at his feet, eagle standing left, head right, wings closed; L IΓ (date) across upper field.
    Catalog notes: "Very rare, nice metal, and of fine style, probably the finest known for the type."
    Ex Giovanni Maria Staffieri Collection; Ex Dr. Piero Beretta Collection; Ex Giovanni Dattari Collection
     
  12. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    I have a few Dattari plate coins, but I wanted to show this one instead. It is referred to in RIC but is not pictured. I sent a photo to the co-author of RIC II Part 1 several months ago.

    Vespasian (69-79). AR Denarius (18.08mm, 3.50g, 6h). Rome, AD 75.

    Obv: Bare head l. R IMP CEASAR VESPASIANUS AUG

    Rev: Pax seated l., resting l. elbow on throne and holding branch.

    PON MAX TRP COS VI

    RIC II 773 (this coin); RSC –. Extremely Rare variety, near VF.

    Ex Vecchi sale 13, 1998, 757.

    Ex: St Paul Antiques auction 7 Lot 285 June 11, 2017

    Coin depicted in the Wildwinds.com database.
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  13. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Great additions, and great coins all!
    I only have one plate coin.
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    Constantius II imitation (Failmezger, Plate coin)

    Obverse: DN CONSTAN-TIVS PF AVG, Long-necked diademed cuirassed bust right
    Reverse: Blundered legend, soldier spearing fallen horseman, Phrygian helmet, sitting on ground, arm(s) up, II left.

    Size: 23.49 mm 6.g

    Failmezger 462aCS (This Coin)
     
  14. benhur767

    benhur767 Sapere aude

    I recently discovered (to my surprise) that one of my coins is a plate coin from Thirion:
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    Elagabalus. Æ as, Rome 218–22 CE. 11.66g, 28mm, 6h. BMCRE 371 (pl. 94.9), C 118 (12 francs), RIC 365, Thirion 294 (R2) (this coin). Obv: IMP CAES M AVR ANTONINVS PIVS AVG; laureate bust right, draped and cuirassed. Rx: MVNIFICENTIA AVG / S C in exergue; elephant, cuirassed, walking right, star above. Rare. Green patina with some pitting on portrait, reverse slightly double struck; EF.

    From the Hannelore Scheiner Collection
    ex Rodolfo Ratto Sale (Lugano), 8 February 1928, lot 3607


    Reference:
    Thirion, Marcel, Le Monnayage D’Elagabale (218–222) (Brussels, 1968), no 294 (this coin illustrated).

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  15. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    Sorry for the late post, been super busy at work. Those are all great posts guys! Very hard to respond to all of them. There are too many of them that I like....
     
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