Yea or Nay? (a 1565 Scottish coin this time)

biblecoinguy · Feb 20, 2018

lordmarcovan said: ↑

"Maria" here is none other than the famous Mary, Queen of Scots, who would be beheaded two years after this coin was struck.

And a description borrowed from a 1566 1-ryal coin listed here:

"The device of the tortoise climbing the palm tree is enigmatic - some speculate that it refers to Darnley's pretensions to the Crown Matrimonial, ie. his slow but sure ascent to the crown. Mary married Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley, her first cousin at Holyrood Palace on 29 July 1565. It was a turbulent marriage. Their son James (VI and I of England) was born on 19 June 1566 but within two years Lord Darnley was to die. These coins were struck for only three years and are interesting in that they have Darnley styled as king on the coin and thus are rare.
In February 1567, Darnley was recuperating after an illness in a house at Kirk o' Field within the city walls of Edinburgh, when an explosion occurred in the house, and Darnley was found dead in the garden.

Obv:
Crowned Royal Arms with thistle either side, MARIA & HENRIC' DEI. GRA. R & R. Crowned thistle punched countermark to left of tree.

Rev:
Tortoise climbing up crowned palm tree with scroll legend, DAT GLORIA VIRES (Glory gives strength), around – EXVRGAT DEVS & DISSIPENT INIMICI, (Let God arise and scatter his enemies). Flat area to right caused by punch on this position on reverse side."

Interesting, eh? Makes me want to read that book on the Tudors that @Aethelred gave me recently.
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biblecoinguy · Feb 20, 2018

This is a great coin.

Cheech9712 · Feb 20, 2018

lordmarcovan said: ↑

I haven't owned a Scottish coin yet.

This one has surpassed my lowball starter bid, but there's still a little time to pursue it, if you think that's advisable. It'll require some sniping and bare-knuckle fighting to get it, perhaps, but if y'all think it looks authentic and have any suggestions on a fair bid price, I've got a little bit of coin money from recent sales to reinvest.

It's also a "-65" coin, which is fun for me (1565 was exactly 400 years before my birthyear- and I'm of Scottish descent, too).

1565 makes this more of a Renaissance/Early Modern coin than an Ancient, but I've chosen to solicit opinions here, since I know many of you are more advanced, savvy numismatists and might have some experience here. (As yet, I do not.)

Does it look OK to you?

If so, what do you think I should bid on it, roughly speaking?

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Now i know why your so hot. Leslie here from the Aberdeen Leslie's. Have a castle too.

Cheech9712 · Feb 20, 2018

Counter stamp is nice. Any info why that is done. Clan mark maybe. Whats your clan lord. Thanks red. For counter stamp info. Always like hearing from you, as in sure others feel the same. Your bright

Cheech9712 · Feb 20, 2018

Wow great info. Great thread lord.

Cheech9712 · Feb 20, 2018

lordmarcovan said: ↑

Dang, that's gorgeous. And exciting. And discouraging, all at the same time. Tells me I probably haven't got a snowball's chance on this one in the OP.

But I'll give it my feeble little attempt...

PS- @TheRed - thank you for digging that up.
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Always be nice to them vikings. (red)

Cheech9712 · Feb 20, 2018

Sell off everything but please keep your hat. Good luck fishing for the big one.

Cheech9712 · Feb 20, 2018

TheRed said: ↑

Great coin, I've always liked the Scottish Royal and its fractions. While I'm not an expert on these coins, I see nothing that makes me worried about it.

The counter-stamp comes from 1578, when the coins of the realm were revalued. Silver had climbed in value to the point where the metal content of the coins was higher than the face value. Naturally silver coinage began to disappear as it was hoarded or melted down so the Royal Mint called in coins to be revalued, indicated by the counter-stamp, and released back into circulation.
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Where's my best answer button when you need it

RAGNAROK · Feb 20, 2018

lordmarcovan said: ↑

I haven't owned a Scottish coin yet.

This one has surpassed my lowball starter bid, but there's still a little time to pursue it, if you think that's advisable. It'll require some sniping and bare-knuckle fighting to get it, perhaps, but if y'all think it looks authentic and have any suggestions on a fair bid price, I've got a little bit of coin money from recent sales to reinvest.

It's also a "-65" coin, which is fun for me (1565 was exactly 400 years before my birthyear- and I'm of Scottish descent, too).

1565 makes this more of a Renaissance/Early Modern coin than an Ancient, but I've chosen to solicit opinions here, since I know many of you are more advanced, savvy numismatists and might have some experience here. (As yet, I do not.)

Does it look OK to you?

If so, what do you think I should bid on it, roughly speaking?

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Aye, mate Yer bonnie lass looks coool: neat type, crystal clear crowned thistle counterstamp... Good luck and... go ahead!

RAGNAROK · Feb 20, 2018

Any case, remember: ´We'll always have Saoirse!´

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2328900/

alde · Feb 20, 2018

I've had my eye on that one forvthe last several days too. If I had the spare cash I would be bidding right along with you. It's a nice looking and scarce coin. I have a feeling it will go for well over $500.

alde · Feb 21, 2018

It went for $689. I'm glad I didn't get my heart set on trying for it. If you didn't break out the credit card for this one I hope you find a great deal on one soon.

lordmarcovan · Feb 21, 2018

Yes, there were seven snipers at the very end, and my low-$400's bid (which was as high as I could go into my pain threshold) didn't stand a chance. It went for $689.67.

My bank account sighs with relief.

I'll keep looking for a Scottish coin, though.

alde · Feb 21, 2018

lordmarcovan said: ↑

Yes, there were seven snipers at the very end, and my low-$400's bid (which was as high as I could go into my pain threshold) didn't stand a chance. It went for $689.67.

My bank account sighs with relief.

I'll keep looking for a Scottish coin, though.
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You'll get your chance at just the right coin. I know how hard it can be to keep within a budget when a great coin comes along though. I've over done it myself a few times.

lordmarcovan · Feb 21, 2018

Cheech9712 said: ↑

Counter stamp is nice. Any info why that is done. Clan mark maybe. Whats your clan lord. Thanks red. For counter stamp info. Always like hearing from you, as in sure others feel the same. Your bright
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I am Robertson of the Clan Robertson, so this is my clan badge:

However, the whole clan badge and tartans thing didn't start until much later - maybe in the Victorian era in the 1800s (?) - three centuries after the coin discussed here was struck.

As @TheRed mentioned in Post #7:

TheRed said: ↑

The counter-stamp comes from 1578, when the coins of the realm were revalued. Silver had climbed in value to the point where the metal content of the coins was higher than the face value. Naturally silver coinage began to disappear as it was hoarded or melted down so the Royal Mint called in coins to be revalued, indicated by the counter-stamp, and released back into circulation.
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Cheech9712 said: ↑

Sell off everything but please keep your hat. Good luck fishing for the big one.
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The gold coins on my hat all went away in my "Great Purge of 2013", when I rolled everything I had into the present Eclectic Box collection. The hat itself, (empty of coins but still with the semiprecious gemstone beads), is still in a box in my closet. I've got a few love tokens and a medal or two to put back on it if the urge ever strikes me, but I don't want to sink a lot of money into it.

Otherwise I'd take up the suggestion @HoledandCreative made earlier, to find a nice holed example of this Scottish type. I no longer collect "holey" coins for my hat and vest, and sold off 99% of that collection, but it was fun while it lasted, and was my "trademark" for a while (as you can see in the 2004 avatar that I still use nowadays).

Cheech9712 · Feb 21, 2018

And a great avatar it is. Im totally excited about you being Scottish also

TypeCoin971793 · Feb 22, 2018

alde said: ↑

You'll get your chance at just the right coin. I know how hard it can be to keep within a budget when a great coin comes along though. I've over done it myself a few times.
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Oh me too... me too....

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