Featured The first official circulating coins of Japan. The Twelve Antique Coins of Japan

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  1. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Yeah.. These were issued during the Tang Dynasty. Their influence was very strong during this time from clothing, text, infrastructure and even religion. If you look at the 開 character, it is an exact copy of the Tang Kaiyuan particularly on the Shin Wado
     
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  3. MerlinAurelius

    MerlinAurelius Well-Known Member

    I've got an abundance of these. 20170331_211456.jpg 20170331_211511.jpg 20170331_222300.jpg 20170331_222309.jpg 20170401_003010.jpg 20170401_002936.jpg 20170401_002943.jpg
     
  4. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    These are the late Tokugawa early Meiji official issues. They come in smaller Shu 朱 and Bu 分 denominations. 20161116_120855.jpg 20161116_120855.jpg 20170127_230351.png 20170127_230657.png
     
  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I love those little rectangles, be they gold (well, electrum, actually, I guess), or silver. Fun stuff.
     
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  6. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    They are electrum actually.. personally I prefer electrum over pure gold...milder and less jarring visually
     
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  7. kkathyl0

    kkathyl0 Active Member

    real cool stuff I have a pair of these trade cash, now I am going to have to pull them out a figure out the history. :)
     
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  8. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    @Loong Siew - Excellent post. Can you illustrate an example of the Fuuhonsen for us?
     
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  9. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    congrats Loong on this being a featured article:)
     
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  10. Loong Siew

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    Thanks @Ardatirion. Here is a picture of the specimens in the museum.
    fuhonsen_coins.jpg
     
  11. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Thanks @gregarious .. :happy: I appreciate it .
     
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  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I foresaw "featured article" on this from the outset, though admittedly I forgot to nominate it myself.

    I dunno what "trophy points" are in someone's profile, but to me, a featured article is the top trophy. I'm proud to have authored two so far.
     
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  13. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    welcome @kkathy10
     
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  14. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Thank you very much. It was indeed a great honour..:happy:
     
  15. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    You're tied with me, now. Each of us has had two featured articles. Keep up the good work, and let's see which of us can maybe break the tie... ;)
     
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  16. Loong Siew

    Loong Siew Well-Known Member

    Haha.. it's a tough battle.. but a nice friendly match..
     
  17. mlov43

    mlov43 주화 수집가

    Thanks for the article! Now I know about the "twelve ancient coins" of Japan!
     
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  18. Loong Siew

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    Welcome.. for non Eastern coin collectors, it is easy to mistaken them as Chinese
     
  19. harley bissell

    harley bissell Well-Known Member

    As a quick general rule of thumb for "cash" sorting if the back is nearly blank I put it aside in hopes that it is Japanese versus Chinese. This is a layman's opinion but it serves me well. As to the term samurai money I was told that the samurai used
    the square holed coins as handles on their swords. They would loosen the cord and remove coins for their needs. In recent years older swords in poorer condition have been dismantled and searched for rare dates then reassembled with common and damaged coins. Since even a common old samurai sword costs in the neighborhood of $800 to $1000 that is a game not for the faint of heart. Presumably any silver or copper coins without a center hole would have been carried in a pouch or a rolled up cloth tucked in the sash. My goal is a type set of each Asian and ancient country. I prefer worn samples. Eventually I'll make a want list and a list of my duplicates for trade. No telling when. I have in excess of 100 books and pamphlets ready to type and release now that I'm retired. In coins or exonumia next up will be a catalog of veterans club issues of north American countries issued world wide. I wrote the first volumes of the encased coins lists for Illinois and Indiana for ACE but both have been subsumed with permission into more modern editions. After the token catalog will come a bibliography of treasure hunting books then over 100 treasure hunting and treasure research pamphlets. All will be for electronic download followed up by print on demand.
     
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  20. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    I am afraid that falls under the heading "old wives tale" Harley. Let me hasten to say that _ may _ have happened, but I have not encountered that in fifty six years of collecting and researching Nihonto (Japanese Samurai swords -- I lived in Japan during the early 1960s). I do not want to pursue this by hijacking this thread or causing "thread drift", but I thought it might be of general interest and contribute to the discussion -- so I will try and make this a "one time" subject post.

    Please visit my page: http://jp29.org/nihkoshover.htm -- I think it explains why I think it would be most unlikely for coins to have been used as part of the handles on Nihonto.

    During the early 1960s in Japan an old sword period (AD 900-1596) short sword (Tanto) blade in a plain wooden storage scabbard (Shirasaya) made by a known sword smith (kaji) and in good polish cost somewhere around 29,000 yen/$95 (prevailing exchange rate=360 yen to the US dollar) -- just like this blade: http://jp29.org/nihtantokanekado.htm - that blade today would probably sell in the $2000 to $3000 range. Today a Koto blade in a shirasaya by a famous maker -- even contemporaneously re-worked/re-purposed with natural blemishes -- similar to the one here: http://jp29.org/nihnagamaki.htm -- may sell for several thousand dollars. Fully mounted (in koshirae) koto period blades by famous makers in full polish often sell in the multiple hundred thousand dollar range these days.
     
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  21. jamesicus

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    Oh, and if anyone thinks fakery/"doctoring" is a problem with ancient coins, you haven't seen anything until you enter the realm of Nihonto!
     
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