Any China Gold Panda collectors?

Well...THAT was an interesting conversational exchange . Damn interesting and educational. My PNG affiliated LCS recently placed for sale a number of Israeli Mint gold bullion that sold out quickly. Numismatic to each their own.

 

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Ignore, block...doesn't matter to me for asking a question regarding global gold bullion minting and collectors. IMHO it reflects more on you...but that's cool since everyone has their opinion and perspective. Good times and enjoyable collecting to you. That's what Forums are all about.

 

I've tried presenting you with the truths established by various private/government agencies, and delivered as publicated information so that doubting individuals can directly contact/question!

If you'd do further research, it's public information that the original coin-making equipment was sold complete with all components for striking coins, openly purchased/set-up out of the U.S.!

If you doubt the validity of published facts supplied to you, rather than making unsupported opinion statements, please contact U.S. Customs to determine their' efforts as has been publicly reported by reliable? "authorities".

I've awesomely seen U.S. Customs' Impeccable efforts in dismantling complete "drive-in" metal shipping containers, and thorough inspection of personal belonging carts, finding minute/microscopic violations of Statutes.

You should note that as a Lawyer, I have supplied the verbatim information forwarded to you within quotation marks, included inserted question marks where statements may be questioned!

I personally take exception/concern when another seemingly indicates/states an intent other than factual challenge of their' education/publication!

I knowingly recognize that self-representation may be accepted as one having a fool for a client, I'm legally represented by established retired law-officers/practicing-Attorneys!

JMHO

 

Good @imrich, go buy the Chinese counterfeits. It’s okay. You have many excuses for them. Enjoy!

 

As a Scientist for a 90000+ employer, having won the singular annual award for technical excellence, I regularly worked on 1st generation equipment development with similar Chinese.

We appreciate perfection and as I've seen your efforts, appreciate your concerns, believing that the authorities in China wouldn't sponsor the production of relatively "counterfeit" (i.e. made in exact imitation to defraud) products.

I have seen the original equipment that produced our coins, sold on the open market when we tried to produce inferior coins with differing technology, (e.g.: high relief).

I believe neither of us have many of those "limited production" products, but a brief examination of internet Numismatic offerings will quickly determine the lack of desired perfection in coinage, and quality monetary efforts here!

I understand/accept our "short-comings", but will not share profound intellectual ignorance/lies!

 

Racist people parrot racist claims with zero proof.

 

On Topic
That‘s mine

 

https://acefonline.org/can-you-spot...or gold U.S. coins,and $10 gold, 27.6 percent.

 

Here’s the point, and then I’m leaving this topic. I will ignore it from here on.

It does not matter how perfect your product is made or how pure the gold, silver or copper is that goes into it. Collector want pieces that were made in the year or, in the cases of some early American coins, within the time frame they were made. They don’t want a coin that was made six months ago dated “1800” masquerading as the real thing.

When the Chinese perfect their counterfeiting procedures, commercial and even academic numismatics will be ruined. Think of what it will be like when there are hundreds of “genuine 1913 Liberty nickels.” The fun will be gone from the hobby for many collectors. This is similar to the situation where the Chinese steal our patents. It’s not legal and respectful other countries’ systems.

 

I spent 40 years dealing with the Chinese and they were very open with me on the topic of counterfeit products. Very little is being done there to curb the problem. The folks I was dealing with would tell me if I might face legal issues with a product I was thinking to import.

We talked about coins and bullion a few times and was told to stay away because there was little control over what was going to the US.

Because of this I never cared to mess with Panda gold or coins from China. I knew I did not have the skills to stay out of trouble. My hats off for those that do have those skills.

 

Funny you should say that...a couple of the 1990's dates are extremely low mintage with sealed/uncirculated specimens highly sought by specialist dealers (for THEIR collectors and resale). I've seen these for retail sale asking prices in the $11-15,000 range. I bought mine in the 80's...and a tiny fraction of that cost. In fact, this gold collection is what sparked my long term interest in key dates as a collecting focus.

 

I wouldn't call myself a "collector" but I have a few of them, I believe all are sub-1 ounce.

 

I have a few smaller gold pandas, 1/20oz and 1/10oz
One 1/4 ounce gold panda that I got from Europe in a bezel and 18" 14K gold rope chain around 25 years ago.
One of my better eBay buys years ago for $222.