25th Anniversary Silver Eagle Set PRICE WATCH

wow- that is clerly a different finish

 

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But I believe I read that this finish could be caused by fresh dies. They believe the dies used for these were fresh dies, and that can impart a different finish than older dies. There is also no guarantee these same dies used for the 25th Anniversary sets were not later used to strike bullion coins.

Just what I heard. I am not trying to disagree with you YoYoSpin and if you have been following the story more closely than I, I will not disagree with you. I did notice my coins I got looked a little different than normal bullion strikes, I just don't know what that could mean.

Chris

 

Yes, I agree...however, when this and the tail feather dent was brought to the attention of NGC, they indicated that the differences were not significant enough for them to declare it a variation....which I disagree with.

If the mat finish and tail feather dent are in fact consistent variations, distinguishing the 25[SUP]th[/SUP] Anniversary so-called “bullion” coin from all other 2011 (real) bullion (s) no-mint-mark coins taken from San Francisco strapped monster boxes, then...the 2011 so-called "bullion" 25th Anniversary coin is in fact unique...making it a third 100,000 limited mintage rarity. IMHO, the jury is still out on this question…

 

I just took a different approach to the set because of the premium and the mint cancellation of my order. I have the 20th Anniversary Set and the coin that pops out, is the reverse proof. So I just bought the 2011 one on eBay for $271.00. Some sell for less, some sell for more. This should satisfy my urge to purchase any further coins, since I already obtained the regular 2011 bullion and proof pieces, earlier in the year. I now have my "short set" of 25th Anniverary Coins and I will just pass on the other two all together. In years to come, if one should fall in my lap, I'll reconsider then. Currently I'm satisfied, but will still watch from a distance because the reverse is such an important part of the issue. If the entire set goes up, the reverse proof goes up with it. It also served to keep the original purchase price of $300, to be more in line to the total of what I spent on all the coins. ($368 with one grading cost included)

 

who knows the difference between graded and non graded coins? 100.000 A25 sets made, thus the s and p are unique in the set and will always be a mintage of 100,000, but the three non unique coins from the OPENED sets can never be graded as part of the SET, thus if 50% of the sets were opened then the mintage on the three non unique coins in the set is around 50,000 or less making them the most valuable coins in the set

 

I suppose that's true...if you are buying the slab and not the coin, otherwise they are just the 3 common coins.

 

Exactly my thoughts. I think in the future for the other three, if the one is not proven to be a sub type, the only value of having any of these three labeled 25th anniversary would be either someone wanting to put a set together, or the fact we now know the bullion issue was struck in SF. I think the whole (s) mintmark thing will disappear quickly, especially seeing how they made a true S mint 2011 coin now.

 

did you like the 95-w numbers of 30,000? have you looked to see what my 70 graded is now why? because of low mint numbers thus if you do find a variety in the A25 set that just makes it less valuable as its will return to the 100,000 number the non unique coins in the set are the most valuable in the set in graded slabs as estimated 50,000 of the sets were opened thus the three non unique coins simply return to the original mint numbers for example the ms from the set is one of 50,000 the excact same coin in ms only is one of 39 million bullion coins and same coin one graded from the set and potent. one of the most valuable coins in the entire collection including the 95-w

 

This is reaching way farther than it will go. The 95-W is the coin itself, the 3 mentioned now are the slab not the coin. The only slabs that are worth something, to a limited few collectors, are the ones collected for lowest grade. These are a rare breed of collectors to begin with. You are putting yourself among few.

 

Ah, I remember a time when a coin was appreciated for its beauty, its design or its historical signficance. We then witnessed the emergence of coin grading. Of course, grading does have merit in some situations, but it has been overdone to the point it has served to trivialize coins and the hobby both. We have early release, first strike, gold label, blue label, brown label, black label, flag label, roosevelt label, label ad nauseam. Have we lost our ability to use our own minds to appreciate coins to the point we have to rely on a number assigned to it by someone who looks at it for 20 seconds? I prefer to look at mine for hours.

Sorry for the trip down memory lane; we had better get back to discussing the mercenary aspects of the 25th anniversary set, as the topic of the thread is price watch.

 

I agree with you 100%. If there does prove to be a subtype...some kind of variety specifically associated with the 25th anniversary coins...similar to the 2008-W Rev of '07 coins there with be some added value. Also, I thought I read somewhere that the bullion issues from the 25th anniversary set couldn't be definitively proven to have come from S mint. I remember at first that was the belief then the mint sort of back-tracked on that.

Wow. OK, first off...the 1995-W is a specific unique coin, unlike these 3 from the set. The 1995 issue has a different mint mark than the standard proof which makes it a completely different coin. If they had simply taken 30,000 of the normal P mint proofs and put them in the set with the AGEs...the ASEs from that set would have no additional value today than the normal P mint proofs bought as individual coins. The only reason the 1995-W carries it's huge premium is due to the W mint mark. The 3 regular issues from the 25th anniversary set are identical to the normal issue coins. In a year or two...they will have no additional value over coins bought as individual because the only difference is the sticker on the slab. Now, if they do find a variety that is specific to the ASE 25th anniversary set...and thus can distinguish those coins (not slabs) from the individually purchased coins, then there will be a different value associated with them.

 

yes the three non unique coins already existed as pf unc and ms but when added to the set they became unique unto all the other pf unc and ms strikes then factor in that half can NEVER be graded as part of the set as the boxes were opened thus mint numbers like 50,000 are now possible thats why i compared it to the 95-w at 30,000 minted there will be a few people who understand how exciting this is to someone who collects graded coins as the dust settles only time will tell good luck to you

 

I collect graded coins too...but I don't collect slabs, I collect coins. A slabbed Pf issue and a slabbed Pf from a 25th anniversary set are identical coins. The only difference is the piece of paper in the slab. They will only have big premiums as long as the dust is in the air. Have you ever heard the phrase "buy the coin not the slab?" Once the dust settles...the premium for those coins will be negligible.

Look at the 2006 20th anniversary set. It contained 3 coins...a BU, proof, and a reverse proof. Just like for this set, if you wanted them slabbed with special tags you had to have them sent unopened to the TPG and they would slab the whole set. Back then, the set was hugely popular and sold out very quickly. If you use your logic and guess that 50% of the sets were slabbed in this manner...then 125,000 slabbed sets exist. Those special slabbed 125K BU and proof coins (which are identical to the normal issues other than the slab)...today 5 years later do not carry a significant premium over regular slabbed issues. If there is no premium at 125,000...then at 50,000 there won't be either. The vast majority of collectors collect coins...not slabs.

 

go to three coin stores one on the east coast one on the west coast and one in the middle of these great united states and price your run of the mill ms coin graded in the 20th anniversary SET check the proof in SET graded and you will find your premium

 

I don't have time to crisscross the country to prove my point. If you want to spend more money for a piece of paper be my guest. I did look around the internet at a couple major websites and went through their completed sales and found just what I said. A minimal if any premium for 20th anniversary slabbed BU and proof coins.

 

sorry to offend make you a peace offering will buy all your coins that say SET on the little piece of paper in the slab spot plus $10 which is all your 2006 non SET graded coins will ever be worth history repeats itself others will see this and do their own reasearch sorry you dont have time except for your opinion

 

Look friend, there is no need to be rude. Some people like to collect coins (slabbed and not) for the coins and some like to collect coins and slabs. There is nothing wrong with that. You are welcome to have your opinion and spend your money on whatever makes you happy...and I hope you do. I have said all I have to say on the topic of the value of slabbed anniversary common coins vs their identical non-set siblings.

 

Theres nothing limited or rare about a coin that never circulated with a mintage of 100k

 

I'm still sitting on a box of five that are unopened in the box. I see that they're still selling for $3,400 on the bay. How much longer will this continue?

 

I think they are going to stay there. I think $700 is going to be the price for this set for a while to come.