Recent Finds - is the 1965 MS or SMS

Here are photos...the 1976 Kennedy is a NGC MS66 Coin. The thought on my recent find is it is a 1965 MS coin (not SMS)...thank you. Based on comparison photos (so apples to apples on my photo skills not coin in hand grading standards) I still see the 1965 coin relatively close to the known MS66 example (strike, luster, marks but not overly bothersome).

 

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Awww, come on, I just noticed Doug got a like! Alright, stand up and fess who the heck would like Doug. Admit your wrongdoing!

J/K, great points about the shield.

Chris

 

Please provide comments/opinions/decisions based on most current information...as already stated, early pictures were replaced with new as the first posts were not representative of coin in hand.

 

Did the camera magically put those marks on your coin temporarily? Dude, give it up.

If you feel so strongly that it's a 66, send it it and prove us wrong.

 

My heirs will check on "official" grade as I am not a fan of slabs. I do feel strongly about opinions from senior members of this forum, including moderators, being "stuck" in past posts. All comments coming from people with approx. 10x the experience as me (based on posts made), that all understand difficulties of coin photography, but will continue to fight for an opinion made on incorrect information.

I, the OP, admitted my mistake (poor lighting that over emphasized marks) and reposted with more true to the issue information (similar lighting with known MS66, new lighting both unknown and known coins, etc). That does not seem to matter. The senior members have their minds made up and I am supposed to accept their opinions, even though I know their opinion is based on incorrect information. Sorry, I do not accept and in fact it will cause me to question more going forward because I have new information about how senior members form their opinions.

Look at the first picture of the 1976 Kennedy...the number of marks are well more than expected for an MS66...however, it is officially graded as such by NGC. So were the graders at NGC that far off, or was my picture that far off? Look at the new picture of the 1976, it is probably more representative of what the NGC graders were looking at. View all the facts and then form an opinion...fighting for old opinions by ignoring new info, well I won't give my opinion on that approach.

 

I believe that the top one is around MS-62 because of the many knicks it includes but the luster is great. And the cheek on the second one brings it down to a AU-57.