Sold of My Entire Bullion Collection In Order To Purchase BitCoins

Discussion in 'Bullion Investing' started by Tyler, Apr 1, 2013.

  1. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    It’s like anything else, and like the saying
    goes time is money, just how much your
    willing to put in is the key, I am retired so
    my time is my own and don’t have to worry
    about punching a time clock :)
     
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  3. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    Yes and no, yes in the fact that your trading
    on the up and down margins, but the real
    difference is the speed on which BTC moves
    compared to stocks seconds versus minutes
    would be a good comparison, I think most
    people at the end of the day look at the final
    numbers, money can be made at both ends
    of the spectrum be it at 60,000 or at 20,944
    where it is now, and another thing to remember, be it the stock market or BTC
    investor numbers don’t mean anything unless
    your cashing out.
     
  4. Mr Roots

    Mr Roots Underneath The Bridge

    Cashing out…?
    You were going to leverage your house at 40k.
     
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  5. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I didn't realize that had been considered . . . if home equity paid for BitCoin that produced profits to buy bullion, then I wouldn't consider the bullion to be foam. In that case, I might be looking at those gold and platinum purchases as necessary to pay down what I'd borrowed.
     
  6. Mr Roots

    Mr Roots Underneath The Bridge

    I really doubt he leveraged his home, but he said he was going to multiply times if it ever dropped to 40k. He was also encouraging members here to buy at 60k
     
  7. Two Dogs

    Two Dogs Well-Known Member

    "Crypto's overall market cap dropped to $942 billion after rising above $3 trillion in November."
    Kitco, June 16, 2022
     
  8. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    So is the stock market, so are PMs. Everything that could make you money right now is down while the cost of goods for everything is through the roof. Think about that for a bit
     
  9. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    My GOLD FOAM purchases come directly
    from BTC profits…. :)
     
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  10. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Precious metals are losing purchasing power as the prices of goods and services rise, but PMs are far from being as depressed as nearly any other store of value is. Moreover, now that equities, real estate and crypto-currencies are falling out of favor, PMs are likely to attract much more attention, especially since they've demonstrated a stubborn resilience facing the same headwinds against which other stores of value have wilted.

    Could buyers of BitCoin have made more money playing its volatility, as @mpcusa has done? Sure they could, and they could have done the same in other markets too, but it requires a fair amount of time and attention to do that well, and most likely prefer to buy and hold while spending the majority of their time on other activities their lives are built around.

    If anything, I'd say that all of the folks who decided to ignore crypto-currency in favor of maintaining / expanding their PM holdings can pat themselves on their backs for having made a solid choice.
     
  11. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    They arent falling out of favor, everything is down that increases wealth while the price of goods/living has increased. It's not a coincidence

    For the 1000th time they actually did horribly until this year.
     
  12. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    And I'm not arguing that point.



    For all of the hot air BitCoin devotees puffed about gold being a relic, it has not done horribly in comparison with the alternatives to which so many flocked.
     
  13. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Gold and PMs actually had done far worse than horribly compared to it up until everything started crashing this year. If you want to believe nonsense some post thats your choice, but tehre's no denying cryptos like BTC FAR outperformed PMs until the great crash of everything started

    Everythings probably going to crash further and there will be a time to get back into everything, I'm just not sure we're there yet. Seems pretty clear right now that nothing is going to change
     
  14. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    You mustn't forget that a significant portion of the market for gold has been distracted these past few years by euphoric members of the crypto-craze. That has a suppression effect on competitive markets, PMs included.

    While most everything is likely to continue to decline, it's entirely possible that those temporarily drawn to BitCoin now realize they'd have been better off in gold, and can trust it as a store of what wealth they still wish to protect. I anticipate that shift driving an eventual move in gold, but it may still be a while before that happens.

    Buyers need to run up against a tangible shortage in physical gold before they realize this is a game of musical chairs playing itself out. That shortage is not going to happen anytime soon, in my opinion.
     
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  15. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    No one "temporarily distracted" has any impact on the market at all. PMs have and always will be a terrible investment. Whether its stocks, or crypto physical PMs have high buy sell margins and no returns and people do the opposite of what they should do with it not selling when it spikes. Unless you bought in at the top you did far better in pretty much everything else than you would have in any PM the last two years. PM's arent a store of wealth, they're a valuable item because people say they are.

    There could be a different climate in 6 months or it could be time to sell the farm, time will tell. What has been true though is that PMs have under-performed every investment consistently for decades
     
  16. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Bullcrap! Shiny objects keep people from making good decisions all of the time, and there are plenty of "smaller" BitCoin participants who, individually don't move the market, but who do in aggregate.

    To even imply that those holding BitCoin were not profit-seeking temporary players is disingenuous. Furthermore, the ~$1T in market cap (formerly $3T) is not chump change, and could move (could have moved) many markets.


    My position regarding BitCoin has never been about making money . . . it has been about not losing it.

    I wrote, "While most everything is likely to continue to decline, it's entirely possible that those temporarily drawn to BitCoin now realize they'd have been better off in gold, and can trust it as a store of what wealth they still wish to protect."

    That comment addresses the short-sighted perspective most had these past couple of years, feeling like they should be focused on squeezing every last bit of profit they could out of the investment markets before positioning their money defensively. The markets have been uneasy for a long time now, and with good reason. Choosing to time their exits and pass on defensive positioning was a poor decision, and most realize it now, but those who still have assets still have an affordable opportunity to protect themselves against further damage.

    That realization will certainly have some moving into metals for protection, although not all . . . some have been wiped out to the point that they have no nestegg left to protect.
     
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  17. slackaction1

    slackaction1 Supporter! Supporter

    Whoa!! that's was a great back in forth, I like when these intelligent gentlemen get into a debate you learn a something and you realize you're in over your head. Hey does that mean PREMIUM will subside also on the SHINY WORTHLESS. People are listing and selling rolls of halves, quarters up to 200.00 to 210.00.. Its just me but I wont sell but I should at that price. Its seems when time gets tough us poor uneducated people no how to make it through situations the best we can..
     
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  18. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    Having something physical such as GOLD
    will always protect you against the volatility
    of other markets that are basically numbers
    on a sheet of paper, my goals are long term
    so I feel pretty good on my current situation :)
     
  19. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I'm trying to follow along, but I tripped over this statement. How can something be a store of wealth without being valuable, and how can something be valuable if people don't say it is?

    I mean, I've got plenty of things that are valuable to me and not to anyone else, but they aren't a "store of value" in any monetary sense.
     
  20. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Store of wealth in the way I was using it in the sense that itll keep up with or outperform inflation. Aside from this year so far Apple Stock has proven to be a store of wealth as it has consistently increased for decades. PMs have spikes that eventually come back down. Granted they almost always have a higher floor after such spikes but they also have long periods of time where they're flat providing no return or even underwater. You can cherry pick dates showing increases, decreases, or stagnate, but a store of wealth should be something you can reasonably expect to increase year over year without needing a spike to do so
     
  21. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    It's certainly not chump change, but what many dont get is that if you're going to talk about a lot of the small holders having the influence on the market many of those small holders are nontraditional investors. What I mean by that is that many of them are young, like early 20s or even late teens young who have bought with the intention of holding it for a decade or more. Sure there are some people looking for a quick buck or who sell on spikes especially the people that got in very early and have a lot of it and who wouldnt take some profits when that happens. (By the way no one is successfully day trading it profitably on a consistent basis no matter what people claim). But many are holding for the long term, most of those types of buyers wouldnt have been in something else. If it makes it easier just think of it as the PMs for the under 30-35ish crowd

    Im sure some probably will move to metals, but like always people generally do the opposite of what they should do when it comes to investing. People were panic selling at the bottom when Covid started when they should have been buying more stocks. Same is going to be true sometime this year as well. There's certain ones that will bounce back in a year or so. That doesnt mean blindly buy stuff but there are some bluechip horses that will rebound its just a matter of when which will be dictated by policy.

    If someone really wants to get into metals they should at least use the stock versions to avoid the massive buy sell premiums that come with physical
     
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