Evening, 2012 D 5c here just trying to figure if it is MD, DD or both. Nice example that I need to put in collection. Thanks
Hey , nice pics . If it's a MD or DD is the question ? It can' be both silly . I see MD if I imagine it , but ideally everything looks normal. Peace .
It is MD Bargainbidder. Just to clarify, there is nothing in any mint variety or error hand book that says a coin cannot be both a "Doubled Die" and have Machine doubling. The MD will certainly take away most of the value because the DDO/DDR is flattened partially from the worthless doubling.
Thanks @Pickin and Grinin . That's great to know next time when that question comes up. I bet @paddyman98 has one for us to see ??
These were single-squeezed dies, not double-squeezed dies. Only double-squeezed dies can cause die doubling. That understood, any “die doubling” on this coin is simply fictitious. To elaborate some, if this doubling came from these single-squeezed dies, it was imparted due to a misalignment of the hub when the dies were single-squeezed by the hub. The hub was a fraction tilted in relationship to the die, leaving behind a smear or bounce on the die. While it’s near impossible to differentiate this fictitious die doubling from strike doubling, still, differentiate and classify the “experts” do in volumes of otherwise unintelligible pet designations. I just call this strike doubling because indeed it’s due to a single strike, whether from the hub to make the die, or the die to make the coin. More than you needed to know, I’m sure...
Here, see if this helps any. Call it a slightly more wordy way of saying the same thing... https://doubleddie.com/58222.html
Simply put, when the dies are created, only one impression (squeeze) is made. New processes eliminated the need for a second squeeze, which is what potentially could create die doubling, so no true doubled die coins for the nickel, if I remember correctly, since the mid 2000's. The same new process is used for the cent and dime. The quarter was next for single squeeze. Not sure about the half dollar or dollar.
And to take it just a tad further, the reason for the new "doublings" starts with the die blanks, which are seated in a collar, to keep them still for the hubbing. That collar's diameter is necessarily wider than the diameters of the blank and hub, to fit the blank, and to accommodate the hub when it strikes it. There's "play" in the collar. John Wexler describes that well. The blank slides for it. The blank also jumps, and that's a little bit different a description. But my point is, it's the same exact thing as happens in strike doubling. In strike doubling, the planchet moves in the collar, in the single-squeeze doubling, the die blank moves in that collar, and its that movement that imparts that doubling. In the older double-squeeze hubbings, there are actually two distinct images, from two distinct strikes, just off from one another.