Commodus Dupondius - Annona Standing - Attribution Help!

Commodus is one of my favorite collecting areas, and I just got my first dupondius - a denomination that seems a bit scarce for this emperor, at least in the "budget" market.

Although it is in poor condition, I did not think I would have much trouble attributing it, but I am. Here is what I have found:

1. Annona standing dupondii come in two basic types - one with the obverse legend starting: M COMMODVS or M ANTONINVS

2. OCRE has only one dupondius for Commodus with Annona standing, the M ANTONINUS-first type. RIC 334. The type starting with M COMMODVS does not show up - does this mean it is not in RIC?

http://numismatics.org/ocre/results...cet:"Dupondius"+AND+portrait_facet:"Commodus"

3. Although not in OCRE, I found an example like mine starting with M COMMODVS. This is attributed as RIC 334, the M ANTONINVS-first type. This is incorrect - it even notes ANTONINVS starting the legend, which clearly does not match the photo. This single example shows up several times in acsearch and Vcoins is ex-Ken Dorney - here is the Vcoin listing - the description and the photo clearly do not match:

https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/ke..._192_ad_dupondius_annona/1150837/Default.aspx


4. The only correct description/photo of this coin I could find was a closed auction on Catawiki. But it has no RIC reference! It says only "456-Bol" and I don't know what this is? Is that an auction note, or a reference? Other than this, there is no attribution.

https://www.catawiki.com/l/34061091...-cornucopia-modius-to-left-at-her-feet-bronze

Sorry to jabber on so long, but I didn't know how else to explain my perplexity.

Any help greatly appreciated. Here is mine:





Here's the ANTONINVS first obverse legend - the OCRE example:



Here is he ex-Dorney example that is listed as RIC 334 (incorrectly - or is OCRE wrong?). The legend clearly starts as COMMODVS:


https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/ke..._192_ad_dupondius_annona/1150837/Default.aspx

 

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313?
http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.3.com.313A

 

Possibly BM 463, RIC 313a, with TR P VI not VII in rev. legend?

BM 463 is a nice specimen, illustrated in their online photos, but unfortunately I can't get my computer to save the picture, so I could repeat it here. In the meantime Ambr0zie has linked to the same picture in OCRE, however.

 

Thank you so very much, ambrOzie and Curtis. I do believe you guys nailed it.

So, a moment of venting here: why in the world was I having so much trouble with OCRE? When I search Commodus/dupondius/Annona this does NOT come up!

http://numismatics.org/ocre/results...cet:"Dupondius"+AND+portrait_facet:"Commodus"

This is not the first time I have had this problem searching OCRE. When I was originally searching for this coin, I tried other methods, but with 77 total dupondii for Commodus, I just missed it. When I saw auctions with erroneous descriptions I just figured it wasn't in OCRE at all.

I suppose it is ungracious of me to complain about a free online database. Sorry.

Thank you again, Coin Talkers, for bailing me out.

Here's that British Museum example via OCRE as noted above - it is a beauty!

 

I am happy I helped a fellow collector.
This is a very small world, a short while ago Curtis helped me (in a different place) in identifying the coin in my profile picture.

You had issues on numismatics.org because I suspect the description is wrong on OCRE although the coin is listed.
You search for Annona but OCRE has it under category Providentia.

 

Indeed! I can't tell you how many times Coin Talkers have helped me out with attributions - dozens at least. This is such a great place.

Interesting observations on the OCRE error. I'll be more "broad" in my searches if this sort of thing happens to me again (and it probably will).

Thanks again for your (and Curtis's) help with this.

 

If you are familiar with Commodus coins perhaps you could have a look at my Commodus(?) coin.

I also have issues in attributing it, but in my case the conservation is much worse.
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/another-identification-please.369940/
I thought I found it but I'm stuck.

 

By golly, I'm going to give it a shot. If I come up with anything, I'll post it on the original thread.

At first glance, I'll say this - are you sure it is an Imperial issue? It looks like it could be Provincial.

I love a challenge!

 

I am not even sure if it is Commodus unfortunately. Suspect it's him from the portrait but...
It was from a lot of worn coins I bought. All of them 1st-2nd century. Imperial.
I attributed it (incorrectly) a few days ago and I just remembered it when seeing your Commodus.