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This is about the best teaching tool I have encountered online. Not because I endorse CAC (which I do), bit because the commentary is either wry or informative, and often both. So please let me know when I can post a coin for evaluation.

 

1915S PAN PAC PCGS MS66

 

Very cool coin, but I question if the luster is there for a 66. I'll guess no bean.

 

+1

 

Looks like a good example of album toning. I agree with the comment about luster but am going to assume it's partially due to the photo. I'll give it a green bean.

 

I have. I idea how to grade these so I’m just guessing when I say yes to the green bean

 

I think the luster is hidng under what looks like natural and album toning. I'm voting yes on the bean.

 

I'm also a bit concerned with the luster but agree that it might just be the photo.

I will say yes to Green.

 

Sorry for my tardiness - if it makes any difference, I just logged on and was going to say "no bean" because it looks to me like it is not a solid AU 55 - more like a 50 or 53.

 

I was referring to the Trade dollar in the previous posting.

 

With regard to the Pan Pac, I think I see some minor scratches (although they could be on the slab, and I don't think that toning looks nice. I will vote no bean.

 

No bean on the pan pac. Good original surfaces but I’ll agree with the lack of luster. I also think it’s maxed out for the grade I can see it green at 65.

 

Yes to the bean. If there was a problem with the luster, I don't think it would've graded MS 66.

 

Good points all...I had some reservations on the luster as well but I don't think this design shows that all too often so I'll favor PCGS's decision and go with the Green Bean.

jom

 

Yes to green on panpac

 

No bean. I brought this and a dozen other coins to CAC many years ago. JA discussed every coin briefly. However, I just don’t recall the reason he gave for passing on this coin. The dealer who sold me the coin was very upset. This is not an uncommon experience.

 

I bet he was.

 

Rd. 1: 1921 MS 65 Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 4 vs No: 3

Rd. 2: 1835 AU 50 Green CAC 50c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 8

Rd. 3: 1939-S Oregon MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 (8 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 4: 1838 AU 58 Green CAC (Gold $5)--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 5: 1908 MS 63 Green CAC (Gold $20)—> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 6: 1885-CC MS 63 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 7: 1946-S MS 66 Green CAC Walker 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 8: 1885-S MS 62 NOT CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 (4 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 9: 1830 EF 45 UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 10*: 1899 MS 65 BN UNKNOWN CAC 1c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

Rd. 11: 1942 MS 65 Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 4 (4 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 12: 1940-D MS 67 Star UNKNOWN CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 13*: 1884-O MS 61 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 9 (4 Green and 5 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 14: 1827 AU 55 CAC 10c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 7

Rd. 15: 1851 MS 66 CAC 1c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 4

Rd. 16: 1919-S MS 65 Green CAC 10c--> Yes: 12 (11 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 17: 1922 MS 65 NOT CAC Peace $1--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 18: 1851 Au 58+ CAC 1/2C--> Yes: 0 vs No: 6

Rd. 19: 1839-O AU 53 NO CAC 50c--> Yes: 6 (5 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 3

Rd. 20: 1920 MS 65 NO CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 6

Rd. 21: 1862 PF 64 CAC H10c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 22: 1869 PF 63 Gold CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 (5 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 23: 1834 XF 45 CAC $5--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

Rd. 24: 1835 XF 40 CAC 25c--> Yes: 8 (7 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 25: 1876 MS 62 Not CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 26: 1853 MS 64 Not CAC 10c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

Rd. 27: 1913 MS 62 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 1 vs No: 5

Rd. 28: 1835 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

Rd. 29: 1908-S MS 64 CAC 1c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 2

Rd. 30: 1913-D MS 66+ CAC 5c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 0

Rd. 31: 1829 AU 55 NOT CAC 5c--> Yes: 11 vs No: 1

Rd. 32: 1851 MS 61 CAC 2.5 Gold--> Yes: 4 (3 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 33: 1936-D MS 66 GOLD CAC 5c--> Yes: 3 (3 Green) vs No: 2

Rd. 34: 1941-S AU 55 NOT CAC 10c--> Yes: 11 (2 Green and 9 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 35: 1924 MS 66 CAC 25c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 36: 1936-D MS 67 Texas UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 37: 1928 MS 66 Oregon UNKNOWN CAC 50c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 0

Rd. 38: 1893 MS 64 Isabella CAC 25c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 9

Rd. 39: 1820 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 7

Rd. 40: 1881-S MS 65 CAC $1--> Yes: 7 (3 Green and 4 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 41: 1940 PR 66 CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 0

Rd. 42: 1824 AU 50 CAC 50c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 43: 1937 Texas MS 66 CAC 50c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 2

Rd. 44: 1903 PR 63 NOT CAC 50c--> Yes: 9 vs No: 1

Rd. 45: 1857 MS 64 CAC 10c--> Yes: 2 vs No: 6

Rd. 46: 1828 MS 62 CAC 10c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 1

Rd. 47: 1958 MS 67 FBL CAC 50c--> Yes: 1 vs No: 9

Rd. 48: 1902 PR 64 NOT CAC 50c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 49: 1832 AU 58 CAC 1/2c--> Yes: 5 (1 gold) vs No: 4

Rd. 50: 1902 PF 61 CAC 25c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 2

Rd. 51: 1953-D MS 66+ FBL CAC 50c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 4

Rd. 52: 1880 MS 64 CAC $1--> Yes: 3 vs No: 2

Rd. 53: 1882-CC MS 62 CAC $1--> Yes: 5 vs No: 1

Rd. 54: 1892 MS 64 Columbian CAC 50c--> Yes: 5 vs No: 0

Rd. 55: 1895-O VF 20 CAC $1--> Yes: 1 vs No: 6

Rd. 56: 1880-O MS 64 Not CAC $1--> Yes: 11 vs No: 0

Rd. 57: 1954 PF 65 CAM Gold CAC 50c--> Yes: 7 (7 Green and 0 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 58: 1879-S MS 65 CAC $1--> Yes: 5 vs No: 2

Rd. 59: 1949 MS 66+ FBL CAC 50c--> Yes: 3 vs No: 5

Rd. 60: 1880-S MS 66 PL Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 5 vs No: 7

Rd. 61: 1936 MS 67+ Green CAC York 50c--> Yes: 4 vs No: 5

Rd. 62: 1823/2 AU 58 CAC 10c--> Yes: 6 vs No: 3

Rd. 63: 1920 MS 65 CAC Pilgrim 50c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 4

Rd. 64: 1901/0-S XF 45 GOLD CAC Gold $5--> Yes: 7 (5 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 2

Rd. 65: 1937-D Texas MS 66 CAC 50c--> Yes: 12 vs No: 1

Rd. 66: 1829 AU 55 CAC 50c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 2

Rd. 67: 1859 PR 62 Gold CAC H10c--> Yes: 7 (6 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 1

Rd. 68: 1883-O MS 62 CAC $1--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

Rd. 69: 1818 AU 50 NOT CAC 50c--> Yes: 10 vs No: 1

Rd. 70: 1828 F 12 NOT CAC 25c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 1

Rd. 71: 1882-S MS 67 Green CAC Morgan--> Yes: 4 vs No: 2

Rd. 72: 1879 PR 65 CAM Green CAC 3CN--> Yes: 2 vs No: 5

Rd. 73: 1809 XF 40 CAC 50c--> Yes: 5 (4 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 4

Rd. 74: 1879-S MS 64 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 10 (9 Green and 1 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 75: 1831 AU 58 CAC 50c--> Yes: 6 (4 Green and 2 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 76: 1925 MS 64 Gold CAC $1--> Yes: 9 (3 Green and 6 Gold) vs No: 0

Rd. 77: 1821 AU 55 NOT CAC 10c--> Yes: 8 vs No: 2

Rd. 78: 1874-CC AU 55 NOT CAC Trade $1--> Yes: 5 vs No: 3

Rd. 79: 1915-S MS 66 NOT CAC Pan-Pac 50c--> Yes: 7 vs No: 4

Green CAC on coin and deserves it: 29
Green CAC on coin and doesn't deserve it: 19
Gold CAC on coin and deserves it: 2
Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green: 8
Gold CAC on coin but should not sticker:
Failed to sticker but deserves a sticker: 14
Failed to sticker and should not sticker: 2
Unknown sticker status and deserves a sticker:3
Unknown sticker status and does not deserve a sticker:2


Note: if we don’t know the status of a coin before the reveal and more people say green CAC for a gold CAC coin, then it will go in the area of “Gold CAC on coin but should only be Green” ....see round 3 as the example case

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Rd. 10 was 4-4...I interpreted that CircCam would consider it a no (based on a similar example), which swayed the overall vote to a lean towards no.
Rd. 13 was tied between green and gold at 4-4...I interpreted that geekpryde would consider it a gold

 

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