I recently picked these up as a lot and am wondering if some of them are counterfeit. I dont know much about these at all,if you see anything worth mentioning plz let me know. These I believe are real. These two look too good to be true.
Both the '67 & '69 look fine to me. No B/S/T offers in forum posts. The others all look real, too, but several/most are not worth grading.
Wow,that definitely makes me feel better about them. They are in amazing shape...usually when it looks too good to be true,it is
They look good to me. None of them are key dates so I doubt if anyone would waste their time counterfeiting them.
The Chinese have counterfeited the 1958 Wheat Cent. I can't think of anything that would more inane to counterfeit than that. They have a value of 2 to 4 cents in circulated condition.
All of the numbers in the 1869 date are slightly different than those pictured in Richard Snow's Attribution Guide. The shape of the numbers and base of the 1 are different. I'd suggest you have it checked by a reliable dealer who knows his Indians.
I looked at a number of images for 1869 IHC on Coin Facts and the date digits on your coin looks strange; especially the 8 and 9. My best guess is that your coin is a fake. I apologize for my ealier post saying that they looked fine. I didn't take the time to look at them in more detail.
My two 1869s appear slightly different from each other, but as they are both worn more than @FoundinTN 's photo, I cannot say decisively whether my own are fakes or not. What piques my interest, though, would be the prospect of owning an ersatz IHC that was not an 1877 of 1909-S. I wonder how many of mine might actually be fakes since it has been brought up that even common dates were faked.
They all seem correct except the 1869 does look strange. You can see in the first photo many coins have been cleaned. When you have an old worn copper coin, and it shows orange or other bright spots. I.E. the 1902 and the one directly below it. But some of the others as well.
My apologies, BOTH the 1869 & 1867 are questionable. I can't find my Indian reference right now, But.. both dates are not correct, but I could be wrong-- just ask my wife.
Yes, both the 67 and 69 should be from the shallow hub. There are many Chinese fakes around,not just the keys. I have a 1909 and 1909 s, and a 1885, all fakes.Here are pics of the 1885 fake and a real 1885 and 1869. Notice the similarity in the shape of the date on the 1885, 1867, 1869 fakes.
