Stupid bullion buying

Discussion in 'Bullion Investing' started by myownprivy, Sep 27, 2019.

  1. myownprivy

    myownprivy Well-Known Member

    The number of bad bullion purchases people make are nearly countless, but here's another one I would like to share:
    Gold Backs

    A Utah company has issued gold "money" in the form of bills they print. These bills are gold and come in different denominations. They hope businesses in the state of Utah, which allows gold to be used as a currency, will use them. Each note is 1/1000th of an ounce of gold.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Silverbugs/comments/d9stot/1510_and_50_goldbacks/
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Silverbugs...ldback_coins_are_injust_placed_a_phone_order/
    https://goldback.com

    Now, forget about all the lunacy of people trying to use PMs as currency. That's a dumb enough idea as it is that has been addressed countless of times for it cannot and shouldn't happen.

    How about this little shiny nugget of a great idea? People are paying $2.60 for 1/1000 of an ounce of gold. People are paying $2.60 for $1.50 cents worth of gold. People are paying a 73% premium!!! Fools!
     
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  3. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Crazy! That's even worse than buying the little gold coins on feebay! No, wait a second, I don't know which ones worse, both are really bad! laughhard.gif

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-South...=132696937042cd3a905f5f79473d98192a1693957b6a
     
  4. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    That isn't bullion buying. That is a pipe dream.
     
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  5. Legomaster1

    Legomaster1 Cointalk Patron

    I would think that people are buying these things just for fun, or to prove a point. I can't imagine these are serious bullion buyers.
     
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  6. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Sounds like something for the TV charlatans.
     
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  7. myownprivy

    myownprivy Well-Known Member

    Wow! That is definitely overpaying. However, $40 for 1/50th of an ounce isn't nearly as outrageous as $2.60 for 1/1000th of an ounce.

    The 1/50thoz Krugerrand melts at $30 today, so paying $40 is only a 33% premium. That is still crazy, but not nearly as crazy as those stupid 73% premium Utah Gold Bucks.

    You know, I might go buy one of those Krugerrands...

    Kidding.

     
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  8. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    But, but, I've just gotta have one, I really do!
     
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  9. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    Go ahead and get one.
    Post up a better picture and stir up myownprivy....that should be worth the premium :D
     
  10. TyCobb

    TyCobb A product of PMD

    Premium or not, that would be neat to have. It's like the 100 trillion dollar bill and those designs look good.
     
  11. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    Better get 2 of them. You're bound to lose one of the little gold buttons. ;)
    It's only a little money, so what's the big deal. :wacky: :greedy:
     
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  12. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    "Stupid Bullion Buying"? When did 1/1000th of an ounce become "bullion." ? They are alternative currency. Nothing new or unusual there-been around for centuries Priv. They are alternative currency backed by gold. Nothing new or unusual there either. Someone in the 80's sold $1 notes backed by gold.They are collectibles which typically have a high premium. Nothing new or unusual there. Coin collectors buy them. Nothing new or unusual there either because you know, collecting money is kinda what we do.
    But thanks for the link. I think I'll get one.
     
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  13. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Yup. These, Mexican gold 2 and 2.5 Pesos, and other small, cheaper gold coins make great gifts for the young kids ( my kids save them up, and have a nice little collection). They are thrilled and amazed to own real gold, and it doesn’t break the bank. Not every ROI has to be in monetary form.
     
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  14. fiddlehead

    fiddlehead Well-Known Member

    Wouldn't it make more sense to buy silver dimes at near melt? It wouldn't be difficult to get a merchant or anyone who knows roughly the value of silver to give you a bucks worth of whatever for a silver dime - maybe even $1.50?
     
  15. Indeed. It’s not bullion. It’s currency without typical annual devaluation and collecting. I also collect 300 year old English pennies.
     
  16. MG1977

    MG1977 New Member

    It’s backed by the gold in the physical currency and the value is also based on an exchange rate. So when you spend the goldback as a form of currency, the current exchange rate takes into consideration the average price people pay for premiums. You recoup the cost of the high premium in the value of the goldback.

    It’s more of a “prepper” product for people preparing for the collapse of society where they believe the fiat dollar will become worthless.
     
  17. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    Most people buying these are almost certainly people buying them to collect them not to stack bullion. The others as mentioned would be the preppers thinking the dollar is about to fail (its not)
     
  18. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    People pay $1.00 for a piece of linen issued by a private company that is only accepted because someone says they have to.
    Which is more out of whack?
     
  19. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Wow. I mean, there are plenty of lame threads moldering in CoinTalk's cellar, but this one was way down there in the "low-quality bait" bin...
     
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  20. Vess1

    Vess1 CT SP VIP Supporter

    When it comes to something like this you can't try to break it down and rationalize using percentages. People do this all the time in small amount of money. People pay $10-$20 for a small plastic toy or a t-shirt made in a 3rd world country for 0.20. If it's a novelty item and it costs less than what some people spent on a cup of coffee that morning, people are going to buy it. They're not going to check the spot price and see if it's a fair deal, although they should, given that's the whole idea.
    The issue is the same as it's always been. The value of the PMs fluctuate too drastically to be used as a stable currency. It's either going to be dumped or horded so as not being able to be used in commerce unless there's no other currency available.
     
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