Collecting Greek Bronzes

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  1. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    I'm curious how people collect Greek coins, especially bronzes, since there are so many different types. Do you collect by theme? by region? ruler or dynasty?

    How about all you collectors of Greek coins telling us what your particular collecting interest is?
     
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  3. Theodosius

    Theodosius Fine Style Seeker

    Greek bronzes are a great series to collect! There are so many of them, they generally have interesting devices, and they can be very reasonable in price.

    I am working on collecting them in two ways: every bronze type from cities and cultures I like such as Syracuse (many types exist), Rhegion, Terina, Elis, Punic; and one per city for the rest (also many, many types).

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    Syracuse

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    Rhegion

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    Terina

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    Elis

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    Punic

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    Smyrna

    John
     
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  5. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Absolutely!!

    As a 'generalist', I also find Ptolemaic or 'Persian' examples to be irresistible:):

    Cilician Stater---

    CILICIA, Tarsos. Mazaios. Satrap of Cilicia, 361/0-334 BC. AR Stater (24mm, 10.93 g, 6h). Baaltars seated left, holding eagle, grain ear, grapes, and scepter; TR (in Aramaic) to lower left, M (in Aramaic) below throne / Lion attacking bull left; monogram below. Casabonne Series 2, Group C; SNG BN –; SNG Levante 106. EF, toned.


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    AR Tetradrachm of Ptolemy II (285-246 BC)



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  6. Youngcoin

    Youngcoin Everything Collector

    A new collecting area for me :D, thanks to Theo! ;)

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    Thanks,
    Jacob
     
  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Here's my answer, which is going to sound like a cheap, flippant non-answer, but I really mean it.

    In this sort of material, collect what you like.

    (I have since adopted this as my main collecting philosophy across the board.)

    If you like it enough or pick up enough pieces, themes and specialties may eventually suggest themselves in due time. That is, if you feel you need a theme or specialty.

    (Hint: you don't, though there's nothing wrong with finding some niche if you choose to.)

    I can think of lots worse things to "play around with" and sample than Greek bronze, too. That's a less-appreciated and relatively affordable field with plenty of opportunity for growth, research, and learning.

    Or just simple fun, if you're like me and sometimes say, "This is cool. I like it. I want it. I can afford it. Why not?"

    For me, that is often enough.
     
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  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Most of these cost me less than 30-50 bucks. The first Seleucid a bit more. The last one in a slab cost me about 16 bucks raw, so the silly slab I put it into cost more than twice what the coin did, but I had just begun my "Eclectic Box" (at the time a box of 20), and was trying to get enough slabs to fill the box up.

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  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Oh, here a couple more from my very first incarnation of the Eclectic Box in July of 2013 (I've come a long way in four and a half years!)

    Again, these are just cheapos that I sent off to NGC on a whim because I was still trying to get the box up to 20 pieces before starting to upgrade anything. Both of these also cost considerably less than the plastic slabs they ended up in.

    Psst! Hey, @Youngcoin - check it out - your Macedonian horsie is much nicer than the one I had in my earliest Eclectic Box!

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  10. Joshua Lemons

    Joshua Lemons Well-Known Member Supporter

    I agree whole-heartedly lordmarcovan. I do not collect ancients, but mostly world coins and as I bought coins I liked, I found myself buying more of a particular country or variety. So I now have tons of modern Polish commemoratives and a nice lot of maundy pennies!
     
  11. Keith Twitchell

    Keith Twitchell Active Member

    When I first realized that I could actually buy and hold in my hand ancient Greek coins, I was pretty much willing to pick up anything that sparked any interest at all. But after a while I realized that I was getting quantity and not so much quality. So I have narrowed it down (mostly) to three areas of focus: places I've been (Rhodes, Athens, etc.); coins with dolphins (since I used to do wild dolphin research); and coins with mythological themes (as a former English major). All that said, every now and then I come across something that I just really like that fits none of the above but comes home with me anyway. I definitely agree with one of the above posts that suggested you start more generally and see what turns out to be your area of interest. Enjoy!
     
  12. Mike Margolis

    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

    Does anyone recognize this as a Pontus issue? Or from where? coinboughtpontusobverse.jpg coinboughtpontusreverse.jpg
     
  13. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Tipically my greek bronzes sub-collection sticks to @lordmarcovan's motto "buy what you like".
    I have no direction at all about them, just buy a coin when it screams "buy me" !

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  14. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    Like Q and Marcovan I buy what catches my eye and have the budget for. Although there is some historical and or geographic preferences, and I have more Greek silver than bronze.
    But here are a few of my bronzes.
    Note- I don't have access to all my coin info so most is memory ( which may be some what flawwed :oops:)

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    Boeotia, Thebes 379-338 BC, AE10, 1.24g: Obv: Boeotian shield Rev: Trident. Lindgren 1517 (This coin). Lindgren plate coin

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    Kolophon, Iona
    Apollo -Lyre, palm

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    Apollo - winged thunder bolt

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    Komama, Pisiada
    Apollo - lion breaking spear with mouth KO in exergue

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    Thessalian League
     
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  15. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

  16. Makanudo

    Makanudo Well-Known Member

    I couldnt have expressed my approach to collecting anything, any better.
    Well said
     
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  17. Makanudo

    Makanudo Well-Known Member

    [QUOTE="Smojo, post: 2937650, member:
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    This coin is very similar to a coin that I just posted in another thread, in need of attribution. I thought Tessa stood for Thesaloniki, but it seems I was wrong. On my coin letter in right lower field beneath the spear is P and on your coin is K.
     
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  18. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I really do not collect Greeks, but enjoy having some of their Bronzes:

    SELEUKID:
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    Seleukid Demetrios I Soter 162-150 BCE AE 17 serrate 16.8mm 3.9g Antioch on Orontes mint Horse Hd L - Elephant Hd R- SC 1646 SNG Spaer 1299-1304

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    Seleucid Seleucus I 312-280 BCE AE 20 Athena-Elephant Spaer 129

    ANATOLIA:
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    Pamphylia-Side AE 15mm Minerva R - Nike L wreath Sear Grk 5440 SNG Cop 408ff
    Ex @Valentinian

    SICILY:
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    Sicily Akragas AE Onkia 16mm 3.8g 425-406 BCE Eagle r fish fly - Crab conch SNG ANS 1062 var

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    SICILY Kentoripai Æ Hexas 16mm 3.0g 344-336 BCE Persephone r grain ear plow w bird two pellets Calciati III BMC Sicily 12ff

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    Sicily Kainon AE Tetras 20mm 6.7g Griffin - Horse Prancing SNG COP 133


    And bunches more from all over the Med. I do not consider Thrace, Iberia / Spain, Carthage, Etruria, etc. as Greek... Even Makedon were there own people.
     

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  19. Youngcoin

    Youngcoin Everything Collector

    Sweet, and now I know where to start with my attribution!

    Thanks,
    Jacob
     
  20. Mike Margolis

    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

    Thanks @TIF I guess it is one of these dudes- the MH in the wreath is Bosporus. i am figuring it out. From acsearch:
    Rhoemetalkes, 132-154. Aes. BACILEWC POIMTALKOY Diademed bust to r., Trident in field. Rev. MH in the center of oak-wreath. 12.54 g. SNG cop. 58. Laffaile 408. Brown patina[​IMG]. Very fine. upload_2017-12-17_15-27-9.png
    KINGDOM BOSPOROS
    SAUROMATES I., 93-123

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    Bronze ("Forty- Eighties "), 108-115. [TI IOULIOU BASILEwC CAUROMATOU Drap. Bust nr, diadem in long hair. Rv. Value (?) MH (= 48) in a wreath. 12.00 g. Frolova 121 and Tf. X, 15 (stgl.). MacDonald, Bosporus 76, 398. Dark, olive patina.
     
  21. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    [QUOTE="lordmarcovan, post: 2937291, member: 10461"The last one in a slab cost me about 16 bucks raw, so the silly slab I put it into cost more than twice what the coin did, but I had just begun my "Eclectic Box" (at the time a box of 20), and was trying to get enough slabs to fill the box up.

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    Seriously? They did not even mention that broken edge? A few scratches get a VG downgraded to 2/5 for surface but chip off 10% of a coin and you get ChVF??? I guess that is what makes it a 'Silly' slab.
     
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