Name that burr

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by usmc60, Nov 14, 2017.

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  1. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    USMC 60 here. Seems we have a few members that are upset with me here.
    Here are a few of their comments,
    Chris
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is only one person on these forums who claims that they are burrs and this know-it-all has the gall to tell Fred Weinberg that he is wrong.




    ldhair No. It's you. You never care to learn the truth
    to help you understand what the truth isI hope that someday you will take the time to learn from others.

    Oldhoopster You proposed a new way to define burrs based on what you’ve observed.

    Well I'm here to say I'm ready to learn something new, I have several photos here A through G. I'm more than interested to learn the truth and what the proper names for these photos are.
    I know the names that I have for them. So please increase my knowledge by informing me of the right name for these photos. USMC60
     

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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    You forgot F...
     
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  4. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    That's because F was a picture of a normal quarter edge of whom no one cares about.... oh wait.
     
  5. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    See I'm not perfect I make mistakes. burr-F-1.jpg
     
  6. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Maybe no one cares about them, but there on every day coinage and people do ask questions about them. It seems though there are people on this site who like to claim things about other members. Here's their opportunity to step up to the plate and to show this old Marine like one member said knows everything.

    Seems that can throw out the accusations about that member me.
    All I'll say to those members is if you gonna say derogatory remarks about someone, at least be man enough to back up what you're saying.

    Still waiting to learn something new Larry and the true names of the photos that I'm showing Larry. It seems the members with the derogatory remarks, is nothing but a bunch of talk like so many have told me.

    USMC60
     
  7. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

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  8. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Arron Burr - Duelist :wacky:
    aaronburr.jpg
     
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  9. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

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  10. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Well just as I expected. I'll start this off with photo a.
    Let me just say the opinions express they are my own.
    I'll try and backup my opinions as much as possible,
    when it comes to rim burrs. Information available is spread out all over the place.
    A rim burr does not add any extra value to a coin, in some cases a rim burr would actually decrease the value of a coin. If sent in to be certified.
    it has been said a rim burr is a byproduct of production.I totally agree.

    Now let me start with photo a. I'm looking at a piece of metal flake.
    I am going by the standard definition of a burr which is.
    A burr is a raised edge or small piece of material remaining attached to a workpiece after a modification process.

    In photo a it has been said even by our resident expert he would not consider this a rim burr. Along with other members would agree that this is not a burr.
    definition if this piece of metal is still attached to a piece of metal it is considered a burr.
    I discuss this matter this morning at breakfast, with a friend of mine who is also an engineer. He agreed with me if the metal is still attached to the metal it falls under the definition of a burr.
    This particular type of burr will become production material shortly, I've actually had these type of burrs fall off when putting the coin into a 2 x 2 holder.
    So the general public very rarely sees these type of burrs, actually I can say the general public never sees these type of burrs. Because once a vendor opens a roll And puts it into the cash register this type of bird then becomes production debris at the bottom of the tray.

    In my opinion I would classify photo a (as a loose flake burr). USMC60
     
  11. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I'm not calling it a fin or a burr but that same definition seems to match both.
     
  12. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    ldhair
    Believe it or not I actually agree with you. Basically the only difference is the way it was produced. And by definition any material left on the edge of a piece of metal is considered a burr. But we like to classify everything.
    Using the term burr fin would also be appropriate. Example: damage die or crack die,
    it is broken down. Example: crack – chip-cud.
    And if anyone has any common sense when it comes to rim burrs there's very few official classifications. I don't know I guess if coin world puts the article in about it as they did on the roll over rim burr it has to be true. Before I read that article. I used to call a rollover burr A wave burr. Since it's officially mention in a prominent coin magazine.
    And I have documentation of that article I will use their term for a rollover burr.

    Now as far as a strikethrough burr I have a few questions concerning that.
    Certain things this do not make sense. USMC60
     
  13. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    I quit. Have fun.
     
  14. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    If you don't mind I would like your opinion on this coin to. 2000-D-9-1.jpg I will consider this one photograph H.I have learned a little more information on this particular burr. USMC60
     
  15. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    I call it PMD
     
  16. KarlB

    KarlB Active Member

    When were you in the Corps, Marine?

    I was a Blue Water Sailor '71 - '93.

    GMCS(SW)
     
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  17. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    How can it be a PMD when it has a perfectly struck rim.?
     
  18. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Brother you got me on the GMCS. To answer your other question Okinawa third Marines I should say just for a couple months Then got transferred to MTU. 75
     
  19. KarlB

    KarlB Active Member

    Senior Chief Gunner's Mate (Surface Warfare).

    Last ship was the Battleship WISCONSIN.

    Turret 2 was mine.
     
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  20. tpsadler

    tpsadler Numismatist

    @usmc60: Back in 1970s when I was in college I had a professor make a statement that can still apply in this day and age. You sir have found one of those little known but useless facts. Case in point: Will this term change the value of this coin. Most people on this forum are looking for coins, not a better way to manufacture coins or a planchet. Lite up on the magnification and these problems will go away. :)
     
  21. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    All I say as far as a magnification goes a closer look will tell you a lot of things. Generally I like to provide two perspectives, as you can see in a lot of recent post.
    You will have one photo that gives you a perspective of the error or anomaly. Then I provide a close-up.
    One thing I've learned over many years sometimes you just basically have to get down to the nitty-gritty and get an almost on top of it.
    I remember when I was getting out of the core. I kept driving by this used car dealership i new I would be out of the service. this car was a SS. And man did it look hot from the road.
    One day I decided to stop in and check the car out. Not to my surprise close-up the car did not look the same as it did from a distance. I basically was surprised that the body was still on the car due to all the rest.
    Some of the photos that I have were taken back in 2016, and in order for me to get a different view of the rim, I would have to go back into my Unorganized system and find the coins and take new photos. Partner that's not gonna happen.
     
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