Is this $2 1/2 Liberty genuine?

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  1. jester3681

    jester3681 Exonumia Enthusiast

    I don't like the obverse. The date looks mushy to me.
     
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  3. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I'm quite sure this coin is fake. The reeding has extruded over the edge of the obverse rim, the letters are not crisp where they meet the flat fields, the centers of the stars are not well defined, and I think I see far more die imperfections than I can recall for this date (lines and depressions in the obverse die).

    - Mike
     
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  4. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Extruded edge reeding is very common on genuine coins. For example, try to find some McKinley gold dollars without it. That's not the best example as few of us will get to see many of these raw. Anyway, the smaller the gold coin, the more often this characteristic is seen. Therefore it is not a very useful or reliable characteristic to use for coin authentication.

    Long ago, on crude fakes, the coins were pushed through a "tool" with grooves to simulate edge reeding. By the 1970's ALL decent counterfeit U.S. coins were die struck in collars - even the crude struck fakes that many well regarded authorities at the time mistakenly claimed were casts!
     
  5. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    Find another 1907 with the edge that looks like this.
     
  6. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    :rolleyes: I don't need to prove anything to myself. Passing on reliable information. I don't care if anyone believes it or not - really.

    Anyway, the chances of me even coming across a 1907 anytime soon is astronomical but I'll try just for you. ;)

    PS I'll bet if you look at a dozen of your dirty $2 1/2 Indians (try 1925-D's), you'll find pushed up reeding before I even start looking on Monday! :kiss::kiss:
     
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  7. CoinBreaux

    CoinBreaux Well-Known Member

    I am pretty sure all of the 1907 2.5 dollar gold coins have this dip in it. I have not found one without it, thus leading me to believe that it is a part of the 1907's diagnostics. Even if it isn't, this coin has other problems.
     
  8. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    You are right, however, the undulating edge created by the reeding on this coin runs completely around the circumference of the entire coin . . . something rarely seen on any genuine coinage. If I recall correctly, the extrusion of reeding on McKinleys is concentrated in one particular area, likely the result of a die misalignment or other press setup issue.

    It is important to note that the inner edge of this extruded material is generally round and smooth while the outer edge is undulating on genuine coins, whereas both inner and outer edges of this extruded area undulate because there is no die in place to confine the material when it is stressed from the outer diameter to impart the reeding on the edge of the coin.
     
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  9. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

  10. jwitten

    jwitten Well-Known Member

    DSCN2613edit.jpg edit2.jpg Same coin? Or from the same fake die?
     
  11. Blissskr

    Blissskr Well-Known Member

    There are genuine coins without the dip but it looks like the 1 touches the denticles on all the ones that don't have it.
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    https://coins.ha.com/itm/liberty-qu.../1241-4450.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

    I'd imagine that because the 1 was originally touching the denticles as shown on some of the coins the mint abraded the die to separate them and created the 'dip' which appears on the majority of the coins.
     
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  12. CoinBreaux

    CoinBreaux Well-Known Member

    Damn, you just blew my entire theory out of the water! It's like the saying that you could prove something a thousands times but it only takes one thing to disprove it. I do think the vast majority of them have that "dip" though. I still think the coin is a fake.
     
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