Gold - Is $1900.00 the New Normal?

Discussion in 'Bullion Investing' started by Randy Abercrombie, Apr 24, 2022.

  1. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I think the new normal is the decline of confidence in fiat currency.

    Therefore, I think metals will appear to get more expensive. In truth, they're only holding their own while fiat declines. Same for food, clothing, shelter and warmth.

    As for crypto-currency, I think it too stands a good chance of holding its own in the marketplace and appearing to increase in value, again only relative to fiat. When I say that, however, I say it only for Asset-Backed Crypto-Currencies (backed by something tangible, and not those bought / held their artificially-limited quantities. Backed by something people believe in . . . such as commodities or consumables like oil, feedstocks, food, water, etc).

    Cryptos appreciated for their limited availability, BitCoin being the prime example, are not unlike other contrived rarities appreciated for their limited populations (think special, limited edition collectibles . . . yeah, the ones that every owner will maintain in its highest possible level of preservation, so that attrition never makes it more scarce than present day).

    I don't know how long it will take, but I believe BitCoin is ultimately destined for the trash heap. Will it ever be totally worthless? No, some fool will always believe in it and be willing to pay for it, but it will be worthless in comparison to its present traded price. Be wily, and think twice about jumping on the BitCoin Bandwagon being hawked by those who already own it and will sell out before the music stops.

    And don't deceive yourself into thinking you're getting rich off the increase in metals . . . if metals preserve your purchasing power as fiat declines, your standard of living is not increasing. You're simply treading water while those in fiat are losing ground.
     
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  3. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    Gold is going to go up because of favorable supply and demand trends, TC. Fiat this or that really doesn't matter -- definitely NOT for retail (who can't move the prices) and not even for most institutions who have other more efficient means to counter declining currencies.

    BitCoin does appear to be gaining flywheel traction. I've never bought it but the younger crowd seems to like it and institutions and the super-rich apparently like it. Recently met with a guy whose boss owns over $1 billion Bitcoin -- not selling. :D
    If real GDP and purchasing power are increasing, that is all that matters. U.S. holders of dollars don't track the dollar against other currencies. You may see the effects in the cost of an imported TV or car....or a vacation overseas....but for day-to-day living, it's not a factor.
     
  4. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    I believe if you understand AI fundamentals as I've advocated and applied in my highest quality TPG Gold coin acquisitions, it's believed that someone has applied same with excellence!

    Properly applying all of perceived correct values of bidding/winning parameters for highest grade TPG certified U.S. Gold coins when Gold "spot" has declined $85, I can't win a coin!,

    Gold coin offerings are at believed insanely high values, and some are acquiring at bargain basement prices!

    A CORRECTION HAS OCCURRED IN NORMAL BIDDING PROCESSES!!

    JMHO!!! LOL
     
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  5. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    Completely unrelated (sort of) but I've noticed Morgan silver in MS grade in moderately difficult dates/grade are harder to cherry pick below suggested Redbook or listed NGC coin guide. Lately everything is hammering above expected price. It seems the demand for collectibles has definitely picked up the pace in the past few months, prices of precious metals aside. I don't buy gold because I don't know how to grade it, but have you noticed that in gold?
     
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  6. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    I believe if you had read my most recent posts on this site, they state the trend you're observing in Silver and Gold coinage, of which I'd benefited!

    I predicted a further future change where it would be virtually impossible to realize the same benefits, possibly because of extraordinary AI use.

    Current spot Gold price change was ~-$90, while premiums are appreciably increasing!

    The Coinflation shown spot price has been seemingly changed from significant negative to positive.

    JMHO
     
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  7. slackaction1

    slackaction1 Supporter! Supporter

    Does the face value of a gold coin affect its worth? or add on Premiums.
     
  8. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    Yes, the face value of a coin determines its' relative value, as shown in my attachment declaring the tangible Gold worth in fiat:
    https://www.coinflation.com/gold_coin_values.html
     
  9. Barney McRae

    Barney McRae Well-Known Member

    I would say yes because I think the face value is a one to one relationship with the weight of the coin. IE, a 20 dollar gold piece has 4 times as much gold as a 5 dollar piece? Is that what you are asking? Or do smaller denominations have a higher premium due to relative affordability/collectability? In other words, a higher premium for the smalls, a bigger convenience fee? I don't know but we'll find out soon. :D
     
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  10. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    Premiums usually go up if the gold content goes down. More people can afford a 1/10th ounce of gold than a half or full ounce.
     
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  11. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    I considered five variable parameters when buying Gold coins.

    Since I'm currently consistently losing, it's believed AI is being utilized where additional variables are being considered, generally being unavailable to average buyers who pay an elevated Gold mass premium.

    The Gold mass premium generally is dependent upon the coin size.

    JMHO
     
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  12. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    As if the current favorable demand trend has nothing to do with a lack of faith in fiat currency . . .
     
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  13. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    It could...though the dollar is holding up nicely against other currencies.

    I do hope somebody reminds the new administration that part of the deal of being a global reserve financial currency is you MUST run a trade deficit (or capital account surplus). You can't eliminate it.
     
  14. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    Hmmm!

    Is your household operated on that basis, where a balanced budget isn't anticipated, only a declaration of bankruptcy if funds aren't donated?

    I may need to withdraw from "reserves", but my finances are balanced every month!
     
  15. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    There are many, many differences between the way our household runs and the way a large industrialized country runs. Thank goodness.

    Comparing a national budget to a household budget makes for fine soundbites, but doesn't shed much light at all on the way things should be.
     
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  16. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    My guess is that in a rising price environement....price lists are stale and on the low side for both silver and gold.

    As I've long suspected...when you bring in lots of new bullion buyers for gold and especially silver (2020-21)....some gravitate to quasi-numismatic silver coins if they aquire a taste beyond pure silver bullion.

    Plus, those who can't afford the pricey MSDs or 1-ounce gold coins will bid up a $150 MSD to $175 or more as it's more affordable. We saw that with lower-grade large denomination bills.
     
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  20. rasielsuarez

    rasielsuarez Active Member

    The problem is that you're failing to recognize what's called the network effect. The number of 'fools' is growing. It's growing rapidly. In order for Bitcoin (not BitCoin) to go to the trash heap as you say you'd expect to see the number of fools decreasing.

    I don't know exactly how many other technologies have been written off in the past. "The automobile is just a passing fad. It will never overtake the horse and buggy"
    "The world market for computers is maybe five at most" - a CEO said back in the 1940's
    "The iphone doesn't stand a chance" - Microsoft, 2008
     
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  21. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    You've got it backward. Bubbles don't pop because the number of fools is decreasing . . . they pop because increased participation drives excessive price pressure . . . just like excessive multiples for stocks.

    I don't write off the technology at all. You can find that in my other other posts about Bitcoin, and about other crypto-currencies and about Blockchain in particular. I think blockchain holds great promise, but only for high value transactions . . . not everyday low value transactions.

    As for Bitcoin . . . I am not a believer it is anything more than a ponzi scheme, and a much more clever one than most. The day will come when we learn who Satoshi Nakamoto really is . . . I'm hopeful it's before he discloses it in a suicide note following the crash of Bitcoin, but I suspect that's how it will play out.
     
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