Ancient Roman Empire: silver denarius of Septimius Severus, "Dea Caelestis" type, ca. 193-211 AD

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  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Ancient Roman Empire: silver denarius of Septimius Severus, "Dea Caelestis" type, ca. 193-211 AD

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    Obverse: SEVERVS PIVS AVG, laureate head right / INDVLGENTIA AVGG, IN CARTH in exergue.
    Reverse: Dea Caelestis in elaborate headdress riding right on lion, holding thunderbolt & scepter; below, water gushing from rocks left.

    NGC Choice AU (Strike 4/5, Surface 4/5), cert. #4166745-008. Sear/RCV-6285, RIC-266, RSC-222, BMC-335. 3.42 g. Ex-"pegasusauctions_com", eBay, 11/11/2014.

    Coins of of the North African emperor Septimius Severus often come quite nice. He is one of the more "affordable" emperors if one wants higher grade pieces. I liked the look of this Choice AU example and thought the price fair. Additionally, the reverse type is rather interesting.

    Miscellaneous links:
    Larger picture
    NGC cert verification page
    Septimius Severus denarius, RCV-6285 (Wildwinds reference)

    Wikipedia links:
    Septimius Severus
    Denarius
    Juno (mythology) (Roman name for Dea Caelestis)
    Tanit (original Carthaginian form of Dea Caelestis)

    When posted here, this coin was part of my "Eclectic Box of 20" collection.

     
    Last edited: Nov 19, 2016
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  3. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King

    Septimius Severus is a popular guy around here today!
     
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  4. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow, that's a very cool reverse ... I love that coin-type

    => Lord, congrats on scoring that fine OP-winner
     
  5. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes?

    I like the lion rider.

    I think the cracked flan would bother me, though.
     
  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Seems that way, doesn't it. This series is one of the neatest put out under SS.
    Septimius Severus 8.jpg
     
  7. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    :rolleyes: I agree, but I kept missing out on that type...so I grabbed this one for the time being:

    Sept sec denarius Africa.jpg
     
  8. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Very nice OP coin.
     
  9. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    The nearest I would show is a fake Geta bearing that reverse that I bought years ago. I don't have a picture though

    Good score, again
    Q
     
  10. Ajax

    Ajax Well-Known Member

    Nice coins everyone. I love the reverse on these types 106115.jpg
     
  11. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Wow Ajax, is that your sweet coin? (it's a winner as well)
     
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  12. Ajax

    Ajax Well-Known Member

    Sure is. One of my favourites
     
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  13. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Very nice. The Severans issued many coins depicting Cybele, such as the MATER DEVM and MATRI DEVM types of Domna and various provincial issues.

    Domna Mater Deum Denarius.jpg
    Julia Domna, issued under Septimius Severus
    Roman AR Denarius
    Rome mint, AD 198
    3.43 gm; 18.8 mm
    Obv: IVLIA AVGVSTA, bare-headed and draped bust, r.
    Rev: MATER DEVM, Cybele enthroned l., flanked by two lions, holding a branch and scepter, resting on drum.
    RIC 564; Sear 6593; BMCRE 51; Hill 340

    Domna Matri Deum Denarius.jpg
    Julia Domna, issued under Caracalla
    Roman AR Denarius
    Rome mint, AD 212
    3.05 gm; 19.15 mm
    Obv: IVLIA PIA FELIX AVG, bare-headed and draped bust, r.
    Rev: MATRI DEVM, Cybele standing l., holding drum and scepter, leaning on column, lion at feet.
    RIC 382; Sear 7104; BMCRE 14; Hill1329

    Severus Anchialos.jpg
    Thrace, Anchialus
    Roman provincial AE
    10.7 gm; 27.2 mm
    Obv: ΑV Κ Λ CΕΠ CΕVΗΡΟC, laureate and cuirassed bust, r.
    Rev: ΟVΛΠΙΑΝΩΝ ΑΓΧΙΑΛΕΩΝ, Cybele seated l., arm resting on drum, r. hand holding patera, two lions at her feet.
    Mousmov 2817
     
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  14. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    Congrats on the new coin, LordM. I like the reverse type and have one of a young Caracalla still from my old collecting habits.

    Caracalla Denarius Dea Caelestis CNG.jpg
     
  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Note that Carthago's Caracalla rider is looking straight at you while the others show her looking where the lion is going. There are several minor variations of these. Below is the one with a drum in place of the thunderbolt. She also is looking at you.
    rs4640bb0607.jpg
     
  16. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    The fact the goddess is portrayed with a lion, a scepter, and a drum--all very characteristic accoutrements of Cybele--is why I am convinced the goddess here portrayed is Cybele.
     
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  17. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Curious, how big is your Ancient collection @Ajax. For some reason, I thought your holdings were small and that you just got into Ancients. Am I making things up again. My doctor says for me to take some pills when I do.
     
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  18. Ajax

    Ajax Well-Known Member

    I started collecting ancients in March and I've kinda been going crazy nothing really too expensive though. I've got around 50ish coins anywhere from 10 to 200 dollars. Man these ancients are addicting
     
  19. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I'm sure some conflation was going on at this time, especially given how similarly the goddesses were depicted, but Dea Caelestis, in her original form as the Punic Tanit, was a lion goddess as well. After the conquest of Carthage by the Romans, Dea Caelestis would remain synonymous with that city, which is probably why we have her named as such by scholars on these IN CARTH coins.

    On the other hand, the worship of the Phrygian Cybele was originally brought to Rome during the Second Punic War, on instruction of the Sybilline oracles, for her divine assistance against the Carthaginians with their Tanit.

    Centuries later, under a Roman emperor of North African extraction, Cybele, Tanit; and numerous other foreign deities, were free to mix and get cosy with each other :).
     
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  20. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I agree!
     
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  21. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    The slight flan cracks probably resulted from that great strong strike (NGC notes 5/5 quality), so they do not bother me in the least. The cracks do not threaten the overall integrity of the flan itself in any noticeable way, so to me they're just "character".

    They may be the sole reason NGC pinged the surface rating down by one point (4/5).

    At risk of rekindling the occasionally tiresome and always contentious "ancients in slabs" discussion, I will mention that this is one of only a very few ancients I have purchased that was already in a plastic slab. I am finicky about having nice pictures of my coins and the white prongs of the NGC slabs interfere with good photos. This seller provided good photos which had obviously been taken before the coin was encapsulated. That was a big p!us for me. I know where the discussion is in danger of veering off next, so let me head that off by saying that I do have some limited use for third-party plastic in my collection, so as long as I've got good pix with no prongs, the plastic suits my purposes.
     
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