Vespasian "capricorns" denarius (old thread)

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  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    (Newer thread here.)

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    Obverse: DIVVS AVGVSTVS VESPASIANVS, laureate head right.
    Reverse: two Capricorns supporting shield inscribed S C, celestial globe below.

    Rome mint, RIC II, part 1, Titus 357; RSC II 497; BMCRE II 129; BnF III 101; SRCV I 2569. 19.3 mm, .541 g, die axis 180 degrees. Ex-Forum Ancient coins, 11/27/2015, prior provenance to the the Jeff Michniak Collection.

    Vespasian was an important Roman emperor. He was the victor of the civil war and "Year of Four Emperors" in 69 AD, the founder of the Flavian dynasty, a masterful military commander, and the emperor who began construction of the Flavian Amphitheater, better known as the Colosseum, which would be completed under his son Titus.

    It is evident from the realistic portrait here that he was not the most handsome man in history, but the coin itself is. The accounts of his death from diarrhea are not pretty either, but he is rumored to have said, "Oh dear, I think I am becoming a god", in a witty reference to the Roman practice of deifying dead emperors. By the time Titus issued this posthumous commemorative in his honor, he had in fact achieved that status: we see the title "Divus" in the coin's obverse legend.

    This coin was described by the seller as "the nicest example of this type handled by Forum to date". That wasn't the determining factor in my decision to buy it, but it certainly didn't hurt. And I have long liked capricorn types on Roman coins, as that happens to be my zodiac symbol. (Not that I have much use for astrology beyond amusement purposes.) Note the nice broad flan and "full circle" of beading around the reverse.

    Here I'll pause to tip my hat to Joe, the collector of the mighty Colosseo Collection. He not only helped me with the "shadowbox" Photoshop template you see in this coin's images, but has also helped me do the rest in my Box of 20 collection that way, since I lack the skill and software. And he's been a good advisor on ancient coin purchases. I was pleased when he approved of this one, especially so when he pointed out that an only marginally nicer example of the same type had just sold for nearly four times what I paid for this piece. The generous gift of his valuable time has been much appreciated.

    Miscellaneous links:
    Larger image
    Former dealer listing
    Wildwinds reference page (only shows one example for this type)
    Comparison example mentioned above (Numismatica Ars Classica, Auction 86, lot 165, 10/2015)
    Prior discussion of this coin (Collectors Universe, 11/2015)

    Wikipedia links:
    Vespasian
    Titus
    Flavian dynasty
    Denarius
    Capricorn (astrology)

    When posted here, this coin was part of my "Eclectic Box of 20" collection.
     
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  3. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Shabamm!!! => they just keep comin', eh? (great coin-splurge ... I'm totally jealous of all of your new coins)

    ... you have good coin taste (I've liked all of your examples)
     
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  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Excellent!!!!
     
  5. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    I think he's just posting coins already owned. Correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  6. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Great portrait and an even better reverse.
     
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  7. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    OMG !
    Another great example, congrats

    Q
     
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  8. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    nice, glad you posted these over here...i missed your original post of 20 cool coins.
     
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  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    You are correct. I am moving over to CoinTalk full time.

    However, once I catch up on the overdue housekeeping and reposting of older material, I have some sweet newps (new purchases) to share as well! :shame:
     
  10. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    @stevex6- That is the very first "Shabamm!!!" I have ever received, and love it! Hope to earn more! LOL
     
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  11. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    That's one sweet denarius! I have only one coin with a capricorn:

    Supera Parium.jpg
    Cornelia Supera, wife of Aemelian. Augusta, 253 CE.
    Mysia, Parium. Æ (20.5mm, 3.78g). Struck 253 CE.
    Obv: G CORN SUPERA, diademed and draped bust right.
    Rev: C. G. I. H. P., Capricorn right, cornucopia on back; globe between legs (Sear describes as a star, but this appears to be a globe).
    SGI 4408 (var.); SNG Von Aulock 7448.
     
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  12. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Everyone has seen my Capricorn, but here it is again. I know it has an odd shape, but I love this coin.
    ric 126 augustus.jpg
     
  13. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    I'm fascinated by how similarly the capricorn is rendered on each of our coins, even though mine was struck way out in the provinces 250 years later. It's pretty much the same design, down to the globe between the forelegs and the cornucopiae on the capricorn's back.
     
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  14. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Well here is my poor example:
    Titus 1.jpg
    TITUS
    Fouree Denarius
    OBVERSE: CAES VESPAS AVG TR P COS III, Laureate head right
    REVERSE: Foreparts of two capricorns springing in opposing directions, supporting round shield inscribed S C; globe below
    Struck at Rome, 80/1AD
    3.06g, 18mm
    RIC II 357 (Titus); RSC 497
     
  15. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Interesting banker's mark on @Orfew's coin, and while fourees like @Bing 's coin do not appeal to me aesthetically, I must admit they are fascinating historically. Oh, if only they could speak, right? Imagine the stories that one would tell!

    I will add @Bing- "thanks for sharing". And though that's become a catchphrase for a flip, dismissive pseudo-compliment, in this case I mean it literally.
     
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  16. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    My favourite part of Bing's awesome fourree is that he's tried to improve its worth by scribing "SC" into the reverse ... well played, big brother!! (you almost had me there for a sec)

    ;)
     
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  17. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Yeah well, I don't have an artistic hand so you get whatever.
     
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  18. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Yeah... while on that topic, can somebody tell me why this silver coin type has the SC? First I can recall seeing.

    PS- no- wait- I remember, now. It's because they were struck in South Carolina, isn't it? At the Charleston Mint, if I remember correctly...

    ;)
     
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  19. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    The SC has also appeared on other silver coins. I am thinking specifically of some pre reform denarii issues of Nero.
     
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  20. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    This one is my favorite, awesome!!
     
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