Proof or Business Strike?

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That's correct, Bob! That is why I think this was a "put-together" set. I don't recognize that holder as a Mint issue, anyway.

Chris

 

It would be very rare to find a die marker on one side to authenticate a variety on the other side since dies can be replaced.

Chris

 

With the better photo, I have to agree that it is not the Accented Hair variety.

"I shot the sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy."

Chris

 

I don't believe from the images that any of them are proofs and the Kennedy does not have the accented hair.

And Rick, the 1964 SMS set did NOT come in any kind of government holder.

 

No it actually wouldn't because the reverse used on the accented hair proofs was the same reverse to show a break in the lines through the stars on the left of the Eagle. It's actually more rare to find that reverse with a non accented hair obverse. Check it out. I assure you every accented hair proof has it. Not to mention there is a plethora of error coins where markers on one side is a key point in attributing the opposite side. For example, a specific Die Crack on the obverse will be a sure sign to look for an error on certain DDR Errors. It's the die pair in general that you need but in the case of accented hair, the break in the stars is always there. Now again, it's just what I've read and seen. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Again, from what I have gathered through this obsession, I 100% agree that the SMS coins were never sold in the typical cellophane of proof and mint sets. Not to mention, even if they were it could still be the same set that these 5 came from. There is no way to say they weren't packaged together originally no matter what they are. I took them out of one holder and put them into a safer holder as the set they arrives as. Who's to say these all came from a different set?

 

I still don't understand how it came to an SMS topic anyways considering my original question had nothing to do with them. They're just very nice, well struck coins to me and they don't look anything like any 60's Proofs I have seen, but the devices are heavily polished and like I said, in hand, look like a modern reverse proof. I was just wondering if anybody had insight as to why or how that would happen. They're clearly well struck and detailed so I can't see why they would have polished the dies in such a way before they were ever even worn out. Who knows...if anybody stays interested I will try to get some better pictures to explain what I mean but the fields are not polished like the devices and they have a cartwheel that's not on the average proof. Maybe they're patterns to test Reverse Proof Design lol...Don't go getting mad anybody that was a joke!

 

Thanks for getting me back on SMS guys lol Maybe I'll just go spend them to save myself another few weeks of obsessing over answers I can't find

 

SEE POST #2 &45. Thanks for the laughs! If I get a chance tomorrow I'll start a thread about the difference between Proofs and Mint State coins.

OP, If you want some pretty coins CHEAP, buy a 1965 -67 Special Mint Set.

Actually Chris, it is not rare to pick a variety for very many coins using just one side. For example, a former NGC finalizer could tell the date of very, very, many Liberty $5 coins viewing only their reverse! I saw people try to stump him without much luck on two occasions.

 

I have that 65-67 SMS Sets because of them being different than the others but ya, I'm just going to send em off and see what happens. I know not to expect it, but is PCGS the only TPG that would attribute them if they were?

 

Good Luck.

 

lol ya don't gotta be a d*** about it I've said repeatedly that I don't think they are but I can lose a little extra on attribution fees for no reason or stand a chance of gaining an awful lot. There are a lot of polish lines on these I haven't bothered to address on top of it being a 40+ comment debate on if they're proof or MS so I will say one last time because you clearly don't understand that I'm not banking on it but prefer to take a risk over wondering and won't be disappointed by anything but a ridiculously low grade.

 

......and Billy Crawford cold tell you the date of just about any Lincoln cent just from looking at the reverse, but knowing the date has nothing to do with attributing a variety on the opposite side.

Chris

 

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ac...al-obverse-listed-as-variety-by-anacs.246860/

 

Just an example I found immediately from a search on Accented Hair Kennedy's. There are more if you're looking for the explanation of how you can tell immediately from the reverse to look for Accented Hair on the obverse.

 

This is why I'm stubborn about one opinion or another. None of us know everything, especially from pictures I took on a cell phone camera

 

Maybe that is why ANACS has been sold again.

Chris

 

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@ cpm9ball You keep me on my toes!

Let's see, you mean like 1942/1 dimes, 1918/17-D nickels, 1937-D 3 leg nickel, 1955/55 cent, 1884-CC $20, 1861-O CSA 50c, 1927-S 25C, too many Large cents to list, etc. There are many, many more "one-side-is-all-you-need" coins.
You got some learning to do young man before posting anymore nonsense.
You are beginning to remind me of one of the well known "ex-perts" on CT that has me "ignored" rather than discuss his multiple dubious posts.

First off, your photos are excellent. So good that the coins look nothing like a proof or anything special of value. Some "fly-by-night" huckster pulled some coins together and stuck them in a "pretty package" to make them appear to be valuable. Lucky for you, the coins toned very attractively!

I am a d*** and you are a "prince." It is collectors like you who assure the TPGS employees get an X-mas bonus! I'm glad there are so many of you around. I hope you get good grades, have lots of money, and continue to spend it on the things you like. Thanks for sharing those "gems."