5 Caesars real or fake?

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I didn't do to bad. My first thought was 1st coin maybe but couldn't tell from pic. The rest fell in line with everybody else. I liked this, made me go back & look at the handful of ancients I have. Most were picked from other CT members so confident in what I've accumulated thus far.
Enjoy the ancients they pick my brain more than any world or mod coins ever have.

 

Thanks I believed you yesterday. I 'm trying to do 12 Caesars for display so 4 of these coins I can return, the Augustus I'm stuck with so if I get my $800 bucks back(on the 4) to replace these 4 with authentic coins will cost me about 4k.

So I think I'm out of ancients keep these fakes just buy an authentic Caligula finish my display and leave you guys to have all the fun here.

Thanks its been an up and down ride here!

Good Fortune to you all!!!

 

I hate to read you are 'out of' collecting ancients. I know it's hard to realise the coins you cherished are not genuine, it's natural to feel defeated. My advice is to stick with it and only buy from reputable dealers. Once you start handling genuine examples you will begin to figure out on your own which coins look a little 'off' and those that do not.

Even if all you want is a 'Twelve Caesars' denarius set, sticking with reputable dealers is the way to go. It can be achieved, but will be very pricey for the rare ones! Keep in mind you can always cheat and seek out provincial examples for the pricier emperors.

Good luck!

 

@AngelDeath of course that is your prerogative. But if you decide to stay, you have to conduct some due diligence before spending your hard earned money. Check those fake databases when you see a coin you admire. Check the seller against the known sellers of fakes. And ask here for assistance BEFORE you buy. One thing you should always remember: if it sounds too good to be true, it most likely is.

 

Sorry I tried to fix what I messed up there.

 

I'm late to this thread. I don't disagree with anything that has already been said, just wanting to chime in on "leaving" ancients.

If you continue collecting coins - ancient or modern - there are fakes everywhere. They even fake junk U.S. silver coins. Bargain shopping for rarities will expose you to more fakes, especially places like eBay where anyone with an email address can sell. An easy way to avoid the problem of fakes is dealing with reputable sellers. They will try to only sell you authentic coins - ancient or modern - and will make things right if you should happen to buy a counterfeit from them because they have a reputation to protect.

I hope you're able to recoup some of you losses and don't let this discourage you. Good luck!

 

You will be sorely missed.

 

Fakes are everywhere. I've seen Morgan dollar fakes so well done that you need 20x magnification to spot the subtle signs that it is a fake. I've even seen fake NGC and PCGS slabs that are so good that they can fool the casual collector. I would say that there are probably as many fake US and world coins and fake PCGS and NGC slabs out there as there are fake ancients, and perhaps more.

Rule of thumb is that if it's on eBay, it's probably a 50% chance that it is a fake. eBay today probably sells more fake items than real items, no matter the category of item you look at. eBay should be called Fake-Bay.

The good news is that fakes can be spotted with a little due diligence and knowledge in your part, plus you can always ask others here for advise.

One note though to everyone. Anyone can open a FORVM fake report, and some of those reports are a little dubious and lack real explanation. I wouldn't be surprised if some real coins have been condemned there. While I find it a useful guide, I think there are better websites for that kind of stuff. Anyone else feels the same?

 

I joined the forum to confirm someone said 4 of my coins are a match there I don't see them. I see many obvious fakes. Here is a ring from a local shop with an authenticated Nero I can't tell the difference maybe they are fakes from the same Cast lol

 

If they condemn innocent people to DEATH a coin is No Problem!

 

There is no definitive website that I know of. Forvm is a very good resource IMO. There is also ForgeryNetwork: http://www.forgerynetwork.com/

As we've seen on this thread, everyone wants to fancy themselves an expert on ancient forgeries. One thing that I know for certain is that 100% of everyone make mistakes when it comes to their opinions on forgeries, even the most revered experts. It just depends on how wrong and how often.

RBW, one of the most experienced Roman Republican collectors and experts of the late 20th century, had a cast fake Labienus (a very rare RR denarius!) in his collection that was a fairly obvious copy of well pedigreed coin, both of which were sold by NAC. Yes, NAC put RBW's Labienus fake in the sale even though a few years earlier they sold the real one too! How can that happen?? Well, it did and it even made it into the RBW hardcover collection corpus published by NAC recently!

I've stayed out of giving on opinion on this thread on those coins because I'm not confident enough in what I'm looking at in these photos to give it. I'm sorry to see the OP so discouraged. There is danger in this hobby, but that can also be part of the excitement.

 

Definitely looks like a match on both sides. Your coin is a modern coin jewelry piece then. Even the same style of toning and all.

I see from your last post that you are not taking it well and don't want to accept it. That's up to you. I took my fake well, and accept it. It's part of any hobby this day. Even fountain pens, another of my hobbies, has fakes. Thats part of the course in this eBay era.

 

Is that your coin next to that ring? You can't tell the difference because they are a match IMO.

 

I tend to stay out of topics on fakes, I am not confident and have far less experience than others on this forum. I would say that your coin is a match to the ring. Personally, I would have questioned whether the coin in the ring was authentic. I have not examined your coins because my opinion would be virtually worthless.

 

Actually, yes! They are both a match and were cast from the same set of dies. Did you by chance buy the Nero from the same shop that the ring comes from? Bottom line, I would make a good attempt at trying to get a refund on all of these.

 

My coin came from England and the Coin in the ring is AUTHENTICATED at a coin shop here in PITTSBURGH. I just came back from there to see what I could find.

We can't find casting seems at all but we found evidence of being in the ground on the the Otho and Claudius IE lime and water form a concrete coating

 

*seams* lol