The Confederacy

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  1. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    That is a fantasic coin, Warren! I would love that in my collection! It has the wear and usage that I like. Nice.
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    And that is the truth of it!
     
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  4. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Hmmm... is the game here to see who can buy a T. Veturius denarius at a price that is the smallest percentage of what @Volodya paid for his? Because that's the silliest reason to buy a coin that I've heard of. And uhm... challenge accepted... :D!
     
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  5. serafino

    serafino Well-Known Member


    Great post. You know your Ancient Italian/Roman history. That's one of the benefits of our coin collecting hobby, you learn so much about the history of the peoples who used these coins.
     
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  6. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I've heard worse. Spending more to get what you want is fine. Spending more without understanding what it is about a coin that makes it worth more is a common situation on eBay, for example, where we see coins worse than mine offered for a bargain price of ten times retail. I have bought coins I did not want because I thought I should have 'one of those'. That is sillier than buying something you want whether it is $20 or $20k. I hate to tell you how many coins I bought because I wanted one to illustrate my web pages on that subject. Pish told her recipe for Magic Soup. I was considering buying a coin that looked to be a good candidate for souping. Silly? So much silly; so little time.
     
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  7. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Somebody put this on a t-shirt! Uhm, @TIF ? (sorry, it just seems that anything t-shirt related is getting directed to you at the moment :p)

    Doug, I didn't realize that some of your coins had been bought for the purpose of illustrating your pages, but on reflection that seems like a natural thing to do. Anyway, I think most here will agree that that wouldn't fall into the silly reasons category. Worthy of some kind of award, perhaps, silly, no.
     
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  8. Carthago

    Carthago Does this look infected to you?

    Here's another Bellum Sociale issue like the OP- Sydenham 621

    Bellium Sociale Syd 621 Kunker 2015.jpg
     
  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Very nice coin!
     
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  10. brassnautilus

    brassnautilus Well-Known Member

    I'm sure some people find these monetary gains enjoyable, and something like that could be considered a hobby, it just has very little to do with the actual coin collecting hobby :happy:
     
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  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    LOL, yup. I always consider my "investments" in coins (except bullion) as SUNK COST. Basically a payment in enjoyment, cuz like @cucumber says..."They will have to pry them from my fingers in the grave."

    Well, maybe, I will be giving to Grandkids...
     
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  12. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    That's a marvelous denarius, and you have every right to be proud!!
     
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  13. brassnautilus

    brassnautilus Well-Known Member

    The soldiers on cathago's coin looked like cylon centurions from the newer BSG series. Especially the last guy on the left.
     
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  14. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Only just saw the post Alegandron, but I love the coin! I use that coin as an illustration in my class, and have half kept an eye out for one.
     
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  15. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    It was a tough one to find! Thank you...I feel very fortunate to have captured it. I am anxious to find more of the series. I also have many from the Roman side during this War, but I would like to find more of their varieties.
     
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  16. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    UPDATE:
    I have expanded my Roman Republic / Bellum Sociale - Marsic Confederation - Social War collection. This is a fascinating and extremely pivotal period in Roman History...ULTIMATELY spring-boarding the Republic into a World Empire...

    I was inspired by @Carthago 's wonderful thread, @Volodya 's Marsic posts, and other folks' awesome coins at:
    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/bellum-sociale-denarius-haeberlin.277498/

    I enjoy the Roman Republic’s history as it is the proving/testing ground of human-struggles, ideas, and changes that ultimately established the World Empire that Rome ultimately achieved. There are critical junctures within the Republic’s History whose outcome determined whether Rome would be rendered to history’s dustbin of wannabe’s or if Rome could prove their mettle. Many of us are probably aware of Rome’s throwing off their Kings, establishing a Republic, winning various wars with the Italians, Macedonians, and the 3 Punic Wars as they grew to dominate Italy and the Mediterranean. However, there is an OVERLOOKED war that the Romans actually LOST, yet from its loss, enabled them to go on to dominate the known World…

    The Social War, or Bellum Sociale, or Italian War, or the War of the Allies, or the Marsic War was a true Civil War based on a struggle of PEOPLES’ beliefs and ideals. This is opposed to most of the later Roman Civil Wars where various Imperators, Usurpers, Caesars/Augusti were fighting for THEIR personal share of power.


    My recent captures of the Social War - Bellum Sociale - Italian War - War of the Allies - Marsic War...
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    Marsic Confederation
    AR Denarius
    Bovianum(?) mint, 89 BC.
    3.93g, 20mm, 3h
    Obv: Laureate head of Italia left, VITELIV = ITALIA in Oscan script
    Rev: Soldier standing facing, head right, foot on uncertain object, holding inverted spear and sword, recumbent bull to right facing; retrograde B in exergue.
    Ref: Campana 122 (same dies); HN Italy 407
    Ex: Eucharius Collection.
     
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  17. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Another capture from the Social War...

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    Marsic Confederation
    AR Denarius.
    Corfinium mint (Capital of the Marsic Confederation), 89 BC.
    3.60g, 20mm, 8h
    Obv: Laureate head of Italia right, wearing pearl necklace; ITALIA behind, X (mark of value) below chin
    Rev: Italia, seated left on shields, holding sceptre in right hand and sword in left, being crowned with wreath by Victory who stands behind; retrograde B(?) in exergue.
    Ref: Campana 105 (same obverse die); HN Italy 412a
    Comments: Cleaning marks to rev.
    Very Rare.

    OH! And feel free to post anything COOL from this dynamic time period!
     
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  18. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    You are building a fantastic RR Social War collection. I love looking at them, awesome coins!!:joyful:
     
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  19. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Wonderful Social War denarii!!!

    Fascinating coins totally befitting one of the most fascinating (and appealing) periods of Roman history-----as @Alegandron states...
     
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  20. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Wow! Are you sending me this cool coin? :D
     
  21. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    LOL I'm not sure how that copy and 'pasted' but when I was trying to 'paraphrase' you that's what appeared as a link LOl
     
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