Never try to catch a falling knife...

Discussion in 'Bullion Investing' started by Danr, Nov 5, 2014.

  1. Danr

    Danr Numismatist

    ...that is all.
     
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  3. Rono

    Rono Senior Member

    True. Now is a pretty insane time to be speculating in precious metals. However, if someone wanted to establish a base holding - or buy annual bullion purchases - now is a pretty nice time to buy on sale.

    peace,

    rono
     
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  4. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Wish someone would have told me that last week.
     
  5. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    Well, I suppose it depends on if the knife is falling with the blade pointing down or pointing up, no?
    I see it as a 33% chance it goes down more, 33% chance it goes up, 33% chance it stays about the same and 1% chance zombie apocalypse* and none of it matters.
    The alternative of leaving your money as is comes with a 100% chance it will slowly lose value due to inflation. I'll take the former odds over the latter any day.

    *just being cheeky, I don't believe in zombies :)
     
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  6. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    But, the value of your PM is measured in USD, so why consider inflation/deflation separately? If the USD gets stronger, your PM goes down in value, if it gets weaker, PM goes up. All other things held level as we are only discussing these 2 related items, PM and USD. This is the thing I have mentioned before, everyone wants a strong dollar and high bullion prices, but they, by themselves, are inversely proportional. One of the current National Geographic has an article on real "ZOMBIES" in nature. Parasites that can connect to the brain of certain animal species and control their body. :) Humans? maybe someday.
     
  7. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    Ah the Cordyceps fungus, I read about it.... crazy stuff.

    But regarding USD and PM, as you mention... when the dollar gets stronger PM prices go down and when it gets weaker PM prices go up. This is EXACTLY why PM make a good hedge. It holds it's relative inflation/deflation adjusted value, whereas plain cash slowly deflates over time.
     
  8. RaceBannon

    RaceBannon Member

    I think we're almost at the point where for me, drastic action is required...

    I'll implement this plan when gold hits $1000 and silver $12.

     
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  9. WLH22

    WLH22 Well-Known Member

    If gold goes below $1000 it will be time to start looking at those St Gaudens and Indians. It would be even nicer to see $700-800.
     
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  10. westcoasting

    westcoasting Active Member

    That's what they say about stock prices also (catching the falling knife). And, also, "the trend is your friend". I still think stocks are much more maneuverable without the crazy premiums and storage costs for investment purposes. PM to me is for other reasons.
     
  11. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    I hear that many times, but it only applies if one never has to sell the PM, like when a person has shares of a stock that claims he hasn't lost money until he sells it.
    Say one buys 1000 oz of silver @ 15.00 today and HAS to sell it 5 years from now for his medical needs and the USD has lost 20% of it's value, so silverholder figures his silver is worth 20% more and goes to the shop he bought it from and says "Here is the silver give me $18000 for it", will the dealer accept it as spoken? Or maybe say, silver is in surplus this year, and spot is only $13.00 an ounce. We all know what will be the last offer. Silver is bought and sold at a spot paper USD bid/offer and that is when the actual relative value is determined.
     
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  12. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    That is my aim, barring any unexpected emergencies as you mention, to hold it rather than sell it. I started buying up silver when I was 16 and it was around $5 per ounce and sold it when it was in the mid $30's. I got lucky. Now that I'm older and [hopefully] smarter, i intend to buy it and hold it regardless if it goes up or down. My money in the bank will deflate in value faster than the abysmally low 0.2% interest my bank gives me. I would rather take the chance on silver.
     
  13. PeacePeople

    PeacePeople Wall St and stocks, where it's at

    As far as maintaining purchasing power, gold has historically been better than silver. That stated, silver does offer more volatility and with that comes a larger upside if the opportunity is taken advantage of. I believe paying attention to the GSR as a good indicator or which to purchase. With that in mind, silver is the play of now. If the GSR goes down into the 50's, I'm very likely to sell silver and buy gold.
     
  14. Danr

    Danr Numismatist

    let her bottom out and start back up- then jump in.. this downward movement might just be getting started and there is a lot of potential downside. You could easily lose half of your money in a market like this.
     
  15. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    Frankly, I don't see how anyone could lose money, unless they either try to flip too quick or they panic (the most likely of the two it seems with most bullion "investors"). Bullion is long-term. Those that think otherwise, will, indeed lose money.
     
  16. Danr

    Danr Numismatist

    In my mind silver is a five dollar metal. If it returns to the mean (-$7) you will lose half of your money. This decade long run up may have been a fluke.
    http://www.kitco.com/scripts/hist_charts/yearly_graphs.plx
     
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  17. CJinAustin

    CJinAustin Member

    We're heading that way... unless major uncertainty returns to the economy.
     
  18. coleguy

    coleguy Coin Collector

    I can see that happening, which is why I said it's a long-term hold. It's been at 5 and back up to 20 and down again more times than I can count.
     
  19. mmissinglink

    mmissinglink Member

    I'm convinced that we haven't seen bottom yet. In my view therefore, buying blobs (common, non-denominated bullion bars or rounds) right now may not be the best use of my cash if I am looking to get the most oz for my dollar. So far, premiums on physical silver are still quite low. This tells me there's no shortage of supply. The US Mint, within 2 days, is ready to ship at perhaps millions more American Silver Eagles (ASE's). That said, of course it's possible that at some point as the silver spot price drops even below $15 USD to the $14 range, premiums can go higher.

    We shall see.
     
  20. Revi

    Revi Mildly numismatic

    I just keep buying little lots of junk silver, cool stuff I find and don't worry about it too much. I am not trying to find the bottom, just picking up some bargains on the way down, and the way up. I'll keep buying until it gets too pricey. That means when it gets over $20 again.
     
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  21. mmissinglink

    mmissinglink Member

    Hey Revi,

    I think I've been talking with end-of-times silver stackers a little too much lately and so I am thinking in terms of buying large quantities of silver. Most end-of-times stackers appear to believe that no matter what price silver is, you forget about everything else and just back up your truck today because silver is going to da moon tomorrow since the tomorrow will also be when the global currency collapse takes place.

    So I actually am like you in terms of small good deals to be had...little bit on the way down and on the way up.
     
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