When should unethical or illegal activity with coins and bullion be reported?

I see, so the federal government cannot "charge" different folks different rates but if individual's decide by themselves to "pay" different rates, then that is OK???
I really don't think so. I can guarantee that is not what the founding fathers had in mind.

Also, I am well aware of ther 16th amendment, but that is now part of the law and the land, and not to follow it, is considered unconstitutional.

You argument holds no water, the only thing you have done is show your displeasure of the current tax code, and 16th amendment of the Constitutuion of the United States. If you don't like the rules, you work on changing them, not breaking them. I said it before, not paying your taxes does not hurt the government, it hurts the honest taxpayer on the street.

 

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What makes you suggest that he isn't? That seems a lot like an accusation to me. I don't see anywhere in his post where he says he is not paying taxes?

 

C'mon Tinpot, there is not a single thing in my post that says or even suggests this individual does not pay taxes. The whole converastion has been centered around the ethics of paying or not paying taxes and the post is continuing the thread that is all.

 

Then why not just say, "If you don't like the rules, you work on changing them."

Leaves out the accusatory tone but gets across the same point.

 

Because the entire "tone" of the thread has been it is OK to to steal from "Uncle" if you have a good reason. Here is the relvevent quote


"..Turn in someone for trying to pull one over on Uncle Sam? No way. Giving less to Uncle Sam is like trying to keep someone from stealing from you, which everyone should do...."



Now here is your quote

Some folks clearly believe it is OK to pay "Uncle" less which is clearly "breaking the rules"

Now it seems you are saying, As long as you believe it is right, then hey, go for it, we all have different ethics.

Has your opinion changed???

So in conclusion, me suggesting in this thread that the proper and ethical course of action IMO is changing the rules if you do not like them as opposed breaking them is in no way, shape or form inapropriate.

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This thread is about reporting people for tax evasion, that is what I'm referencing in my comment saying that people should do what they believe is right, get it now?

P.S. take it easy on your space bar.

 

Sure if an individual wishes to pay more taxea than he's obligated too there's no law against that.

People don't technically follow the 16th amendment it doesn't actually force the government to directly tax without apportionment it gives them the power to do so. Since they are using the amendment not paying would be illegal.

What argument? I was just stating how the public was tricked into accepting an income tax and gave up some of their freedoms because they thought they'd be sticking it to the rich so rhey b could get free gifts from the government. Also not paying taxes hurts no one except the government that overspends on wars and entitlements. But still people should obey the law and pay the there taxes since it wouldn't be fair some people paying and others not.

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On a serious note, coins and bullion ARE abused by people trading in illegal funds. It is an issue for our industry, an issue which could become serious. This has always been an issue in bullion, and I see traces of it in ancient coins also. Occasionally some shady looking people will show up with some really nice coins at a major show, etc. Why they own such nice coins is anyone's guess, but think about it. Ancient coins are collected all around the world, are extremely small and portable. In effect any issues with such things diamonds have historically had also affect ancient coins. As such, we should expect governments to be looking at our hobby with a suspicious eye.

 

Another problem I have with the tax system is the IRS has way too much power and unlike other crimes where they have to prove you committed a crime the irs can simply say hey we think you haven't paid as you owe us $50k, if you think this is wrong prove it.

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In the USA you are largely innocent until proven guilty with two exceptions:

Suspected or alleged tax evasion.
Child molestation or abuse.

The latter you probably have a better chance of being acquitted if you are not guilty, whilst the former - good luck. Just ask Willie Nelson.

 

Poor Willie...taxing income is un-American...tax consumption instead!