"Pablo" the Bison $10 United States Note

Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by RickieB, Apr 6, 2014.

  1. RickieB

    RickieB Expert Plunger Sniper

    While most of you more than likely know, "Pablo" the Central Vignette of the Series 1901 $10 United States Note was engraved by Marcus W. Baldwin.
    You more than likely know that he joined the BEP on January 5, 1897 as well...and then a select few of you will know that he engraved the backs for the $20 and $50 Federal Reserve Notes of 1914 in only 21 days! What a feat!!

    But do you know who the Artist was that actually drew the sketch of Pablo from which Marcus Baldwin engraved, where he studied, and what his specialty was?

    That is the question....there just may be a surprise at some point in this thread..I suppose we will have to wait and see.
     
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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Rickie, I've heard that the original drawing was that of a stuffed bison that was in the Smithsonian in the late 19th century. Apparently, it was one that was shot in Montana in 1886.

    Chris
     
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  4. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Love threads like this one........:)
     
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  5. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

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    But Pablo appeared on a note nearly 70 years later, but you would have had to have been in Viet-Nam to see him:

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  6. chip

    chip Novice collector

    If I remember accurately there was some controversy over wether the engraving was done from a photo or if it was from a sketch by one Charles Knight. I am not sure if the controversy has ever been laid to rest, (do they ever get laid to rest?) but I would say that I see Bison notes quite often in lots of grades.

    That is kind of surprising to me because 10 dollars was a lot of money back in the time when those notes circulated, like almost a thousand would be today.
     
  7. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    The Bisons were being released into circulation into the very early 1920s and would have circulated through that decade.
     
  8. chip

    chip Novice collector

    That is true, and with the huge deflation of the 1930s a ten dollar bill would have been even more tempting to spend.
     
  9. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

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  10. RickieB

    RickieB Expert Plunger Sniper

    Well two of you know who did the sketch..thats fantastic!!
    What about the other questions on Charles Knight?

    Any thoughts?... more to come.

    Has anyone looked up "Pablo" on the Heritage Archives?
    What did you find?
    What sets this apart from the true Proof from the BEP?

    Search deep in the methods of printing back then and how they handled such items...

    RickieB
     
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  11. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title] Supporter

    Fantastic information here...that's what the paper forum was missing. Glad to see Rickie back teaching once again!!!
     
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  12. gsalexan

    gsalexan Intaglio aficionado

  13. gsalexan

    gsalexan Intaglio aficionado

    This bison also appears on an intaglio souvenir card from 1981 (SO21). However, the card was produced by Security-Columbian Bank Note Co., not the BEP, and on close examination the image has subtle differences. I wonder who engraved this one? SO21 Bison vignette.jpg
     

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  14. jj00

    jj00 Well-Known Member

    Charles R. Knight, Metropolitan Art School, Dinosaurs & prehistoric animals;
    I didn't realize until looking this up that the person who sketched Pablo was the same guy who's work I remembered really liking when I went to the National Museum of Natural History in Washington some 35+ years ago....learned something new, thanks RickieB!
     
  15. RickieB

    RickieB Expert Plunger Sniper

    Has anyone found Pablo in Heritage yet?
    If so what did you find?

    Do you know the difference between the listed Pablo in Heritage and the Original Proof from the BEP?
    What differences do they display?
    What resides on the reverse of the BEP Proof?

    This is where it really gets tricky!
    Stay tuned for that that surprise and a little History you may not have known before..
    Some good answers and posting on Pablo..thanks for taking the time to research him somewhat.

    jj00.. good job :)
     
  16. McBlzr

    McBlzr Sr Professional Collector

    I think this was used on the postage stamp, also.

    Buffalo_Postage_Stamp.jpg
     
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  17. gsalexan

    gsalexan Intaglio aficionado

    A little more research turned up the name of Raymond Ostrander Smith, BEP art designer at the time. He appears to have done the design of the bison from Knight's original sketch and Baldwin engraved from that. Smith also designed a number of stamps for the Bureau including the 1898 $1 Trans-Mississippi issue. $1 Trans-Miss.jpg
     
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  18. RickieB

    RickieB Expert Plunger Sniper

    Since no one has replied about the Heritage Listing..I thought I would put it up for you to see.
    http://currency.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=30092&lotNo=20214#Photo

    What seems out of the Normal here for this?
    Do you know your History on how many of these exist and if any are "Original from BEP Property? What would the differences be between this one and a BEP owned piece?

    Have fun on your search....:)

    RickieB
     
  19. RickieB

    RickieB Expert Plunger Sniper

    gsalexan:

    Hessler's Reference indicates that this vignette was used on the $1 MPC Series 692
    as well as the 30Cent Postage Stamp. He does not reference and changes to the engraving or renditions of the engraving so it makes me think they are 1 in the same?

    If anyone knows anything different, I would sure appreciate it.

    RickieB
     
  20. gsalexan

    gsalexan Intaglio aficionado

    I did look at the Heritage proof, but couldn't come up with anything. It does mention a serial number on the back, which typically indicates a BEP proof. But it doesn't have a "Bureau of Engraving & Printing" printed insignia and the impressed frame is unusual -- is that what you mean?
     
  21. gsalexan

    gsalexan Intaglio aficionado

    Nope, the S-CBNC bison really is a completely different engraving -- I did a close comparison to the BEP version. But I'm sure the reference model was the same. Maybe it was a practice engraving.
     
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