Austrian coin, 1752

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by rednalexa, May 25, 2004.

  1. rednalexa

    rednalexa New Member

    AUSTRIAN COIN, 1752.
    Writing on the coin says as follows:
    Side 1-FRANC.D.G.R.I.S A.GER.IER.REX- (and a pic of a man with long hair)
    Side 2-TU .DOMINE SPES MEA 1752 (and a coat of arms of some sort)

    My mother came across this coin not long ago. If anyone can give me an estimated value, preferably in New Zealand dollars, it would be much appreciated. If you have any information for me, please post a reply or email me at: rednalexa@hotmail.com

    Thank you.

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  3. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    The obverse legend is FRANC. (Franz or Francis), D.G. (by the Grace of God), R.I.S.A. (Emperor of the Romans Ever August), A.GER.IER.REX (of Germany and Jeruselem King). According to the 18th Century Standard catalog of World Coins (Krause) that legend should finish with "Lo B.M.H.D.", meaning either "Duke of Lorraine, Bar, and /Greater Etruria" (on coins of the German City-State Nurenburg), or "Duke of Lorraine and Bar, Grand Duke of Tuscany" on Austrian cons.

    It might make it easier to locate your coin in Krause if you would post it's diameter. From the color I'm assuming it's gold, but ? ? ?

    (Austrian gold coins of that era seem to catalog at a minimum of about NZ$125)
  4. satootoko

    satootoko Retired

    A little more research has turned up two possibilities -

    [​IMG] if the coin measures approximately 22mm, and weighs a hair less than 3.5g.

    [​IMG] If it is larger, smaller, or too light.

    The bad news first. According to the sixth entry down at this French website (English translation here), it may be a token given away by the Readers Digest some time in the 1980s [​IMG], in which case it's numismatically worthless, whether in US$ or NZ$. :(

    On the other hand :) , if it does match those specifications, it seems to be an Austrian Ducat (KM#2041.2), minted at the Karlsburg Mint in Transylvania, and valued in the 2002 3rd Ed. 18th Century Standard Catalog of World Coins at $80 VG, $160 F, $275 VF, $550 XF, and $850 Unc[​IMG]
    For what it's worth, my first impression from the picture is XF . :D :D :D

    That would translate to ~NZ$890. [​IMG]

    BTW the reverse legend translates from the Latin as "Thou O Lord art my hope".
  5. rednalexa

    rednalexa New Member

    It's 21 mm, but unsure of the weight... will have it weighed on digital scales sometime

    Thank you for your help, much appreciated :D
  6. iefrank

    iefrank New Member

    奥地利1752 副本.jpg 奥地利1752B 副本.jpg

    My coin looks like silver coin.I look up 1701-1800,2003 standard catalog of world coins,3rd edition-digital.pdf .

    KM#2041.2 0.9860 gold

    In all silver coins's pic is differnt with my this one, my coin gold or silver?
  7. iefrank

    iefrank New Member

    I am a coin fans from P.R.china.I only know a few English words.

    I hpoe coin fans can reply my question.

    very thanks.
  8. Collector1966

    Collector1966 Senior Member

    Probably a fake, maybe one of the "Reader's Digest" copies. Here is a CoinTalk thread from several years ago about this same type of coin:

    http://www.cointalk.com/t867/

    On edit-- I just noticed-- the original post was from 2004
  9. moneyer12

    moneyer12 i just love UK coins.......

    the readers digest copies caused mayhem over here for a while as some people found them and thought they were real, i have a couple of example but the are quite light and have subtle differences to the real coin. i think that from the diameter of this particular coin that it is a readers digest copy.
  10. iefrank

    iefrank New Member

    my coin's diameter is 19.5mm.

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