Any idea what this square is on ten dollar gold coin?

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  1. Tinpot

    Tinpot Well-Known Member

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  3. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    Looks like a counterstamp of some sort.
     
  4. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Some kind of assay mark? I know nothing about gold coins BTW :) Just a guess.
     
  5. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    The coin itself looks suspicious to me. I question it's authenticity.
     
  6. Tinpot

    Tinpot Well-Known Member

    Interesting, it was purchased from a well respected dealer, what makes you question its authenticity?
     
  7. saltysam-1

    saltysam-1 Junior Member

    Maybe a jeweler's mark? There appears to be symbols or lettering inside the square.
     
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  8. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins Supporter

    I like Sams take on this.......
     
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I agree with Matt, the coin looks like a cast fake to me. No idea what the extra mark is from or what it might mean.

    And for whatever it's worth, that mark was there when the coin was made.
     
  10. RedRaider

    RedRaider Well-Known Member

    The mintmark looks mushy to me. The letters dont look as sharp as they should. I agree with others questioning the authenticity. If its a respected dealer, he should take a refund on a coin that is proven to be suspicious. I would take it to another dealer and see what is said about the coin.
     
  11. doug444

    doug444 STAMPS and POSTCARDS too!

    OP, when you post an image directly from Photobucket, some personal data, including your name (and your one public album) shows up along with the image. Surely you don't want that??
     
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  12. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    The farm equipment was pretty interesting though. I like farm "toys"
     
  13. e30kgk

    e30kgk Member

    My guess as to the stamp would be a counterstamp. Not sure of its origin, though.

    I, too, am skeptical of the authenticity of this coin. The texture of the fields, most noticeably below the mint mark seems typical of a cast fake. There also appears to be a raised rim on the coin most visible in the picture between 12 and 3 o'clock. This should not be present on a real coin. Additionally, the details look inconsistent - the olive branch is mushy and less detailed than would be expected given the state of the eagle's feathers.
     
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  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Click on the OPS's link, then use the + sign to blow the picture up to full size - it'll fill your screen. Then look at the D and the mark. The D, and the mark, were made at the same time. That is no counterstamp. The corner of the mark is actually under the D.
     
  15. rickmp

    rickmp Frequently flatulent.

    True.
     
  16. LostDutchman

    LostDutchman Under Staffed & Overly Motivated Supporter

    I was thinking about this piece today... I have never seen another like it... Maybe it's a lesser known middle eastern counterfeit and it might bear some sort of hallmark unique to these... Worth a further look.
     
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  17. Rassi

    Rassi #GoCubs #FlyTheW #WeAreGood

    Isn't that "edge" on the whole top rim wrong???
     
  18. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Tinpot, can you provide photos of the obverse & reverse that are not at an angle?
     
  19. Slider

    Slider Member

    When I blow up the other photo using the same technique, it looks pretty close, but I'm not convinced it falls under the D. But I agree with you and others...something seems off with this coin.
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

  21. CamaroDMD

    CamaroDMD [Insert Clever Title] Supporter

    I'm not convinced that the upper right corner of the square is under the point on the D. It almost looks to me that the lower point of the D was displaced outwardly by whatever made this mark.

    That said, looking at the various details of this coin...things don't look right. Some of the details look "mushy" so I'm in agreement that the authenticity is questionable.

    Without seeing the coin in hand, it's hard to know for sure (on either point). But, it looks suspicious.
     
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