Ancient-The Last Sassanid Bust? - OM! (Interesting and Popular Letter)

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Ancientnoob, Aug 31, 2013.

  1. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Long after Sassanid Persia with all its power influence and grander has faded into history, the bust of the emperors continued to be seen in the far reaches of the world.

    I find the decline in stylistic execution particularly intriguing. As the bust types declined, the weight and metal composition retained a relatively constant. The weight of the coins still retained the archaic Attic drachm standard nearly 1700 years old at this by this time.

    I have been collecting coins of medieval India, that nearly a thousand years later stilll carry the Sassanid winged bust type, just when I though I had them all, rare, little known and rarely collected coins keep presenting themselves. I scored 2 very rare pieces for very cheap amongst many other Indian coins I have yet to post.

    Today I present to you all one of the last (I think) Sassanid Persia bust type coins. Minted in the style of Khusro II. (or so THEY say)

    This coin comes from the Omkara Monastery minted by the Later Parama in Malwa (West Central India). These coins like I said before are quite rare, but very inexpensive. It seems that these crude designs command little collector interest.

    When searching for this coin, I can say I came for the bust but I bought it for the reverse inscription. Naming the Monastery that coined it. OM! OmkaraMandhata1150-1300.jpg


    The neat Letter....

    OM Script.jpg

    Oh and while I was picking out the coin, I had to get his bootleg brother, also very rare! This coin also appealed to me for several reasons. 1) Same reasons as coin #1. 2) This one is a poor alloy billon coin with colored metals apparent.3)Its so rare its unlisted. When these coins are sold they are sold with the description of Coin #1, MNIS 431-440.

    It is also unclear weather the coin is a counterfeit from antiquity or a different lesser used denomination. New scholarship suspects these are ancient counterfeits.

    India, Malwa
    Omkara Mandhata
    BI Drachm (1150-1300AD)
    Late Parama in Malwa
    12.0 mm x 4.00 grams
    Obverse: Degraded Sassanid Bust.
    Reverse: Zoroastrian Fire Altar with no attendants corrupt Devangari Script- SRI OM.
    ref: Unlisted
    OmkaraMandhataBI1150-1300.jpg
     
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  3. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Very intriguing stuff! Does the first coin date in the same range as the second?
     
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  4. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    As far as I know yes. The powers that be suspect the second is probably an ancient forgery of the first. It is unlisted in sources.
     
  5. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    BTW I am glad a few other guys like these coins. I was starting to get worried.:mad:

    Notice the OM now that's PHAT!:cool:
     
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  6. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I love them. I'll take the obscure and mysterious path over the well-trodden one any day. It is remarkable that when you venture into areas with little collector interest, you can acquire pieces of extreme rarity for very little scratch.
     
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  7. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Thanks and ain't that the truth.
     
  8. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Nice stuff, A-Noob!! (you rock, A-dawg!!)

    Man, I always love it when you get all giddy over your Sassanid coins ... and especially when you mention Khusro II

    => because I know that you love this coin (Khusro II, Sassanid occupation of Egypt)


    byzantine khusro a.jpg byzantine khusro b.jpg
     
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  10. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Why do you say the style declined? Those pieces certainly aren't anything similar to the heyday of Sassanian coinage, but couldn't it just be said that the designs became more abstract over time? I'm not being argumentative - just asking. I don't anything about this coinage.
     
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  11. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    I suppose you could be right JA.

    I have a couple of quickies I could show you.

    KhusroII 591-628 AD Host coin? KhusroIIDirhem591-628.jpg

    Saurashta and Gujarat 800-950AD
    SaurashtaandGujarat800-950.jpg

    Chaulukyas of Gujarat 1120-1210 AD ChaulukyasofGujarat1120-1210.jpg
     
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  12. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Sassanian Kingdom => how 'bout good ol' Peroz I (459-484 AD)


    sassya.jpg sassyb.jpg
     
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  13. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    That's very instructive, AN. It seems the pendulum of artistic style is always swinging between complexity and simplicity. I wouldn't have guessed that the two pieces from the 9th-century onward were related to the Khusro II at all. They seem to be of an altogether different aesthetic conception.
     
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  14. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Then what do you think about this guy? 685 AD Turko-Hephthalites
    TurkoHephthaliteVasuDeva685.jpg
     
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  15. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    or this guy...Lords of Bukhara... 20130606_Buhkrablack_opt.jpg
     
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  16. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    20130529_who.jpg

    There is a lot of other stuff floating around...
     
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  17. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I can definitely see influence from the Turko-Hephthalites to the Bukhara - a stylized version of significant elements. The third coin is too worn to make out much, but the style seems to have gone from simple to simplistic. I see your point about degrading aesthetics. Maybe the art of engraving just faded for a time, like it did throughout Europe in the Dark Ages.
     
  18. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    ...and that is a fact. There are also coins that are hard to identify even if you have another specimen of the same thing at hand for comparison. Many are so poorly struck that you need several to see the whole design. These were coins made for spending and not for impressing the neighbors. I buy coins that speak to me and avoid ones that have nothing I appreciate. This is not how you develop a balanced collection but it is, after all, my collection so I do it my way.

    Care to ID this one? Do you agree with my label? Can you go further?
    ov7870bb2586.jpg
     
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  19. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Well Doug, I would think you know better than I, but your coin could very well be a Kidariteo_O bronze from the 5th century. There is a lot of similar stuff, floating around with little attention.
     
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